Pulling carbon out of the ground doesn't cause climate change. Neither does consuming energy. Burning carbon into CO₂ or releasing other carbon-bearing gases like CH₄ or C₂H₄ causes climate change. Methane pyrolysis avoids that. Too bad it's uneconomic next to solar panels.

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cmrdporcupine 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

leaking methane definitely does though, and pretty much all natural gas pipelines and facilities are leaking it at levels way higher than producers care to admit

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		You're not wrong, but you're not right either. In 2015, the Department of Energy estimated that the CO2 footprint for production, processing, and pipeline transportation of natural gas averaged between 8 and 14 kgCO2-e per MMBTU of natural gas [1]. The average natural gas CO2 emissions (kgCO2/MMBTU) has been going down over time [2], and will be reduced even further in the next few years thanks to increasing fines [3] on one hand and financial incentives to reduce flaring and venting [4] on the other hand. A large percentage of these emissions are not due to accidental leaks, but are essentially intentional -- due to flaring, venting, and high-bleed controllers and actuators [2]. For an idea of how much emissions can be reduced, consider that the so-called certified gas has 90% lower CO2 footprint than the average today [5]. For example, the methane emissions for a natural gas utility in Oregon are 90% lower than EPA nationwide assumptions [6]. [1] https://greet.es.anl.gov/files/EERE-LCA-NG [2] https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/inventory-us-greenhouse-gas... [3] https://community.citizensclimate.org/resources/item/19/530#... [4] https://www.epa.gov/inflation-reduction-act/methane-emission... https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/documents/us... [5] https://www.cfindustries.com/newsroom/2023/bp-certified-natu... [6] https://www.nwnatural.com/about-us/environment/less-we-can
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burnt-resistor 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Serious cognitive dissonance and strawmanning. Using the sky as an open-air sewer does. No amount of "clean coal" or "clean hydrogen" will change the problem of normalization of continued ff extraction by greenwashing it.

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kragen 16 hours ago | parent [-]

You don't seem to have addressed my argument, and parts of your response aren't even coherent, such as "Using the sky as an open-air sewer does." Possibly you are too upset to have a conversation successfully right now.

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burnt-resistor 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

	▲	kragen 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, if you begin to follow these guidelines, you may find that ypur attempts to converse here are more successful.