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JumpCrisscross 17 hours ago

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0ct4via 16 hours ago | parent [-]

"After the deadly offensive by Hamas against Israel in October 2023, Ismail Haniyeh, who replaced Mashaal as head of the Hamas political bureau in exile, again invoked religious rhetoric. “Today, the enemy has had a political, military, intelligence, security and moral defeat inflicted upon it, and we shall crown it, with the grace of God, with a crushing defeat that will expel it from our lands, our holy city of al Quds, our al Aqsa mosque, and the release of our prisoners from the jails of the Zionist occupation,” he said." [1]

Excerpts from the Hamas Covenant [1]:

"Article 8:

Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes."

"Article 15:

The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised."

Hamas' *literal* goal is the extermination of Jews and the Jewish people. That's literally genocide.[2][3]

[1] https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

[2] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...

[3] https://opil.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law:epil/97801992316...

...now don't get me wrong — I don't side with Netanyahu or what his government have been doing — but that doesn't change the fact that Hamas' goal is the eradication of the only Jewish state in the world, and it's people — actual genocide.

The attacks on October 7, 2023 were much more than a "hate crime" as you mistakenly claim... and your whataboutism is just immature, and isn't conducive to actual discourse.

AlecSchueler 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe not doing everything we can to legitimise Hamas by dehumanising the entire Palestinian people would be a start. Back a dog into a corner then euthanise it for biting you... Disgusting

0ct4via 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You legitimated Hamas when Starmer recognised a Palestinian state

- *in the middle of a war* - nearly two years after October 7 - while Hamas still have hostages

...it ABSOLUTELY legitimises them, and rewards them for their attacks on October 7 and beyond.

Sounds more like you're "dehumanising the entire Palestinian people" by calling them a dog... and accusing Israel of "euthanising" the Palestinian people.

Hamas' literal goal — which you've conveniently decided to avoid commenting on — is the destruction of the only Jewish state in the world, and the destruction of the Jewish people.

If Netanyahu wanted to wipe Hamas from the face of the earth with no thought for civilians or collateral damage, the IDF could've turned Gaza into sand and glass on October 8.

Yes, how Netanyahu and his government have acted is wrong... but have you gotten daily emergency notifications from incoming Hamas missiles and drones? Have you ever had to live in the only country in the world that literally requires an Iron Dome defence system to protect it from attacks from Hamas and their ilk? Where buildings and public streets are literally required to have strongrooms and shelters as places of safety, and people can have to take shelter from attacks on a daily basis? — and this was going on long before the current war. In the 90's, when Hamas were just getting on their feet, it was Hezbollah firing rockets at Israel... then, when Hamas got its numbers and weapons up, Hezbollah supported _them_.

What's disgusting is you making such an asinine comment without evidently knowing the history or experiencing life in that area of the world, on either side of any manmade line in the sand...

A Palestinian state shouldn't be recognised with terrorists at the helm — that's like deciding to just give annexed parts of Ukraine up as "New South Russia". Hamas need to be removed from terrorising and controlling the local population and acting as an oppressive so-called government... and the Palestinian Authority should be installed as the legitimate government for a Palestinian state.

When you award that status to a proscribed terrorist group (which Hamas was made in the UK in 2001, nearly a quarter-century ago, FYI), while they are the active aggressors of this war, given October 7 —— and while they still hold hostages and oppress their own supposed people — it legitimises them more than anything else.

Mind you don't get arrested supporting PA in Westminster... getting an S13 charge under Terrorism Act 2000 wouldn't look good... but then you've ignored facts and missed the point altogether with your own disgusting rhetoric.

Speaking of disgusting... it's Russia's speaking slot at the UN today. Do you think there will be a mass walkout when their representative goes to the podium to speak? I suspect if there isn't, there's some rather antisemitic hypocrisy going on...