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greyadept 13 hours ago

I don’t like that Apple feels emboldened to demand that laws be repealed. I don’t recall if Apple has done this in the past but it’s a shift in tone that makes me uncomfortable.

0xDEAFBEAD 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The actual words from Apple quoted in the article:

>The DMA should be repealed while a more appropriate fit for purpose legislative instrument is put in place... Despite our concerns with the DMA, teams across Apple are spending thousands of hours to bring new features to the European Union while meeting the law’s requirements. But it’s become clear that we can’t solve every problem the DMA creates.

The headline could just have easily said "Apple Requests" or "Apple Suggests".

I doubt it would make waves if Apple expressed the same opinion about some US legislation. Is Apple allowed to have an opinion about legislation in other countries where it operates?

Nathanba 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Is Apple allowed to have an opinion about legislation in other countries where it operates?

Laws like the DMA were specifically made to fight the influence of mega corporations like Apple. For them to use language like "it should be repealed" instead of "it should be changed" shows their intent.

0xDEAFBEAD 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean, they suggest creating a "more appropriate fit for purpose legislative instrument". Seems like you're kinda splitting hairs?

I support the EU's right to shape their digital environment. But if you're being threatened with fines on the order of $38 billion which are levied based on vague, ever-changing rules, then of course you will want that situation to go away while the law gets fixed.

On the other hand, cynically speaking, maybe "fighting Apple's influence" through arbitrary fines is actually the point.

matheusmoreira 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Considering that Apple has created their own digital fiefdom with users as their serfs, I'd say arbitrary fines are not nearly enough.

0xDEAFBEAD 12 hours ago | parent [-]

The fundamental reason why I fear a tyrannical corporation less than a tyrannical government is that generally speaking, for a tyrannical corporation, you can just stop using their products if you want.

My understanding is that Apple's proposed approach to CSAM prevention (which was subsequently abandoned) made significantly greater attempts to protect user privacy compared with the current EU chat control proposal.

LinAGKar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Not so much with smartphones though. While there is Android, it's slowly becoming just as bad as iOS, and modern society requires everyone to have one of those (and an aftermarket OS may not be a possibility either due to some apps using Play Integrity API).

immibis 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The chat control proposal which, I note, has been rejected every time it's been tried, and therefore has no impact on user privacy at all, versus the Apple solution which has actually been implemented and randomly uploads your private photos to Apple for a human to view.

immibis 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple has repeatedly, willingly, knowingly, on purpose violated EU orders. Like when they were ordered to allow alternative app stores, they said "fine, but we have to approve both the app store and the apps it sells" and then just didn't approve anything that wasn't already on Apple's store. They were fined a few billions for this and told to fix it. They didn't. They were fined a few more billions. The fines will keep increasing until compliance occurs. That's why Apple is throwing a temper tantrum.

immibis 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The DMA is fit for purpose. Apple just doesn't like the purpose and wants to stall as long as possible.

crossroadsguy 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s about who blinks first — or at least that’s what Apple thinks. Just keep in perspective at what acute angle Apple bends in China. It’ll be a shame if EU chooses to blink.

isodev 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All arguments Apple puts in their statement are political, not real technical issues. Apple is acting like a country now.

cortesoft 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Companies have been lobbying for laws for as long as there have been companies and laws.

beloch 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A similar thing worked for Google when they were trying to stop Canada's Digital Services Tax. You can probably expect Trump to start threatening more tariff's over this any day now, although Tim Cook might need to have another 24K gold plaque made first.

SpicyLemonZest 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you’re inferring a tone from the headline that isn’t actually present in Apple’s statement. They’re not demanding anything, they just think it would be a good idea.

next_xibalba 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“Demand” is pure clickbait editorializing on the part of this article’s author. Here is the actual comment from Apple:

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/09/the-digital-markets-a...

Which doesn’t read like a demand to me. Now, we may all agree or disagree with Apple’s claim, but characterizing it as a “demand” is pure modern journalism.

disgruntledphd2 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I read that statement and while I have some sympathy for the technical and privacy challenges, they made their bed by using the iPhone to lock people into the rest of their ecosystem, which is illegal under EU law.

next_xibalba an hour ago | parent [-]

Fair enough. But totally orthogonal to the point I'm making.

ajross 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

FWIW, the headline is spun. Apple is providing feedback for the law via a routine legislative process. But yeah, they hate the law and they want it repealed, and they said so.

I mean, I think they're wrong. But that said... what's the argument here? Apple shouldn't be allowed to say that they hate a law that they actually hate? Apple should absolutely feel entitled ("emboldened" even) to express their opinions. That's the whole point about civil discourse, no?

tiahura 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can only shake someone down so many times before they say no mas. There have been hints from the US administration that they recognized the DMA as something to be addressed. I'd imagine it was a topic of conversation when Cook gave Trump the gold statue.

0xDEAFBEAD 13 hours ago | parent [-]

For context, here's some background on why US companies view the DMA as a shakedown:

https://www.piratewires.com/p/eu-weaponizes-regulation-us-te...