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| ▲ | mothballed a day ago | parent [-] | | The last Iraq incursion was directly responsible for the rise of ISIS in the area, giving them a stronghold for mass slaughter throughout Iraq and Syria. Saddam Hussein was obviously a murderous psychopath, albeit one who held tight enough reign to mostly subordinate the other psychopaths in the area, so you can ask the question about our culpability in switching that trolley onto a new set of tracks. | | |
| ▲ | tsunamifury a day ago | parent [-] | | Yes but the US is not ISIS and did not do that. So be clear and stop conflating. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed a day ago | parent [-] | | That's one take on the trolley problem, but it's a controversial one for a reason. | | |
| ▲ | throwawayq3423 a day ago | parent [-] | | US did not kill those people, a civil war did. Flippantly conflating the two things does not do your argument any good. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed a day ago | parent [-] | | The civil war didn't kill those people, the bullets that went into the brain of the casualties did. Flippantly conflating the two things does not do your argument any good. Now of course the bullets were inspired by a guy pulling a trigger, the guy pulling the trigger was inspired by the civil war (more specifically to name one example, the the ISIS-Kurdish one in the northern region of Iraq and Syria), the civil war was inspired by the power vacuum, and the power vacuum was inspired by the toppling of Saddam, and the toppling of Saddam was inspired by the USA blowing up the Iraqi regime. Whether the US is culpable, again, I left as a question. But they did pull the lever for the trolley. | | |
| ▲ | tsunamifury a day ago | parent [-] | | You understand by this reductionist logic you are responsible for the sins of the entire world. By being born your actions triggered through your existence all terrible things that have happened since. I can’t believe you’d be this dumb. This is well trodden moral philosophy bullshit. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed a day ago | parent [-] | | I can't believe you'd be as dumb as to compare being born to blowing up a bunch of people, leading to hundreds of thousands of excess deaths[] (mostly of civilians), many of which who now with their livelihoods and homes blown up and radicalized against the west, then were easy fodder to join any jihadist with a dollar and a plan with newly equipped with captured M16/M4s and Humvees and freshly freed up territory. And apparently, it's wrong to just question if the USA might have culpability for the aftermath of that. [] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War | | |
| ▲ | throwawayq3423 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > And apparently, it's wrong to just question if the USA might have culpability for the aftermath of that. No, but that's a fundamentally different question than answering who was actually fighting and who actually carried out the killings. A very simple distinction if you care to make it. You don't. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | You guys are perfectly tag-teaming your gibberish responses. It's cute. I said no such thing, I've never claimed the USA carried out the killings of ISIS. | | |
| ▲ | throwawayq3423 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I said no such thing, I've never claimed the USA carried out the killings of ISIS. > US killed far more in Iraq, so might be unrelated. Of course the United States is to blame for the Civil War, but it did not carry out the killings. If you think that's only a rhetorical difference, I don't know what to tell you. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have no idea who you're even arguing against at this point, but it's clearly not me, and in any case I'm a bit tired of playing the tag-team game where both of you alternate so one can't be held responsible for the last comment of the other while still pivoting on it. Carry on. |
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