| ▲ | jacquesm 2 days ago |
| > My bet is China will be the big winner. Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly? |
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| ▲ | Herring 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| China can turn on a dime. And they smell blood. https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs Give it 5-10 years and the situation could look very different. If they decide to pour tons of money into it, they could dominate like with trains or solar. |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I would never invest time, money or my life into a country without a functioning legal system. In a country where the likes of Jack Ma are not safe nobody is safe. | | |
| ▲ | Herring 2 days ago | parent [-] | | 71% of H1Bs are Indian. They might feel differently, especially after looking at ICE. Personally I prefer looking at the average case: http://data.worldhappiness.report/chart China still has lots of ground to make up, but they’re headed in the right direction. Needless to say, the US isn’t. | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Looking at the average case is a massive logical fallacy. It isn't the average case that will likely determine the outcome of your case, because as an immigrant you are not average. | | |
| ▲ | Herring a day ago | parent [-] | | They’re quite correlated…. It’s hard for a country to take very good care of its citizens (healthcare, free education, social security, economic opportunity, work-life balance, access to nature) at the Finland level then turn around and persecute immigrants. It just doesn’t happen. It takes a lot of goodwill and trust (in citizens, politics, institutions) to get all that to work. Then clearly they’re also trying to attract immigrants, they can’t turn around and start locking them up. Look at the history of Europe (colonialism), what usually happens is they practice and fine-tune atrocities outside then import them. Bush and Iraq as a prelude to Trump. |
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| ▲ | mensetmanusman a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | China is headed in the wrong direction. Xi has screwed the pooch. |
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| ▲ | netsharc 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How about the opposite: the "great again" USA is very unwelcoming, that Chinese citizens who were attracted to the freedoms it once offered (a different flavour of freedom compared to the one Trump is currently offering) might now think "Sheesh, maybe let's not try to migrate to the USA and start a life there!". |
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| ▲ | thisisit 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You do realise Chinese form a large immigrant population in the US, right? And as much as I dislike saying this - Chinese government doesn’t want you talking about politics. Otherwise you should be mostly fine. While US government is going beyond politics. Pushing stuff like that autism and Tylenol connection on correlation study. That is going beyond politics and impacting academic and scientific analysis. |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > You do realise Chinese form a large immigrant population in the US, right? Did I say anything that made you think otherwise, right? > And as much as I dislike saying this - Chinese government doesn’t want you talking about politics. Otherwise you should be mostly fine. Ahhh too bad then, because one of the things that I really like about the societies that I'd bet my life/money/health/other resources on is that I want to be able to talk about politics. Otherwise, what's the point, all you are doing is lining some dictator's pocket. > While US government is going beyond politics. Pushing stuff like that autism and Tylenol connection on correlation study. That is going beyond politics and impacting academic and scientific analysis. Yes, the US is also on a bad path. But so is China. And they too push plenty of bullshit. How is that Tianmen Square investigation coming along? | | |
| ▲ | thisisit a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > Did I say anything that made you think otherwise, right? Yes this line made you seem ignorant. >> Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly? The brain drain to China will not be based on immigrants or foreigners rather Chinese going back. Capisce? And you seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. > Yes, the US is also on a bad path. But so is China. And they too push plenty of bullshit. How is that Tianmen Square investigation coming along? Tiananmen Square happened in 1989. China has been on the "bad path" for years. No one is denying that. But that is not the same parallel as US government pushing hack medicines and correlation studies like autism and Tylenol. Find me an example of China doing that instead of going for the lowest denominator of "Tiananmen Square, see gotcha". | |
| ▲ | mensetmanusman a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | CNN was reporting on the dangers of Tylenol during pregnancy less than 10 years ago. |
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| ▲ | maxglute 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because PRC is returning sea turtle / talented diasphora friendly and there's a fuckload of talented PRC born diasphora abroad who frankly has to self censor under mccarthy free speech anyways. |
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| ▲ | locallost 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don't know, personally never went there. But it doesn't seem to be throwing out babies with the bath water, as currently the case in the US. What their immigration policies are in general I don't know, but they are a knowledge hungry worldpower, and we are talking about scientists here. And as for the EU, my concern remains, there are way too many Trump copycats, and it's difficult to trust it will not go down the same road. The problems and root causes are similar. If I didn't have kids I would've left Germany for sure by now. |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > And as for the EU, my concern remains, there are way too many Trump copycats Fully agreed on that one. |
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