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| ▲ | SilverElfin 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Resisting an occupying force is not genocide. Hamas’s charter explicitly calls for genocide, and the people of Gaza voted for Hamas, and still support Hamas per polls. They support that charter, its ideas, and the actions that result - such as the thousands of rocket attacks for over ten years, as well as the mass murder / mutilation / rape of October 7. Fighting a war of self defense isn’t a genocide, right? If it is, then is every war a genocide? And if so does that word really provide any meaningful value, other than stirring up emotions? | | |
| ▲ | phatfish 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Can a war of self defence turn into a war of aggression? | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm sure that it could, but this clearly hasn't happened yet. We still see lots of high-quality videos of buildings being bombed by Israel. That is possible only because Israel warns civilians away from such structures. In a war of aggression, such warnings would not happen, and such videos would not exist. | |
| ▲ | SilverElfin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I would say yes. The question is what definitively makes it that. So far, all I see is subjective judgment. Even in official reports, when you go deep enough in official reports from various organizations, it feels subjective. |
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| ▲ | jameshilliard 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's quite clear which group has genocidal intent, there's a Wikipedia page [0] for that as well. Groups like Hamas are quite open about their genocidal intentions, they even detail those desires in their charter [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter | | | |
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| ▲ | basilgohar 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're right, Gaza was not occupied. It was an open-air prison where people are not allowed to enter or leave, aid was severely restricted, and the IDF adopted a policy of "mowing the grass" which was to cull the population periodically. That's worse, but I'm not sure that's the point you were trying to make. And if you're only other point is to accuse me of something I never said about an event that was debunked several times, whereas the actual kidnapping and burning of Palestinian babies, women, children, and men is well documented and still ongoing, I think that's all we need to know. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > You're right, Gaza was not occupied. It was an open-air prison where people are not allowed to enter or leave, aid was severely restricted,
You can pin that as much on Egypt, an Arab and Muslim state, as you can on Israel.> and the IDF adopted a policy of "mowing the grass" which was to cull the population periodically. That's worse, but I'm not sure that's the point you were trying to make. I've heard the phrase mowing the grass. It clearly referred to the Hamas leadership. You can make up interpretations all you want, but I read the sources in both Hebrew (כן, אני מדבר עברית) and Arabic (وانا بحكي عربي كمان). I know exactly what was said, and what was meant. It's usually very clear. > And if you're only other point is to accuse me of something I never said about an event that was debunked several times, whereas the actual kidnapping and burning of Palestinian babies, women, children, and men is well documented and still ongoing, I think that's all we need to know. Israel does not deliberately target Palestinian children - there is no benefit to that. Do you know who does benefit when Palestinian children die? Hamas does. They say it clearly. If you really cared about children - Palestinian and Israeli - then you would not perpetuate the blood libel against the side that until recently went out of its way to protect children. |
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