It's pretty good and fast af. At backend stuff is ~ gpt5-mini in capabilities, writes ok code, and works good with agentic extensions like roo/kilo. My colleagues said it handles frontend creation so-so, but it's so fast that you can "roll" a couple of tries and choose the one you want.

Also cheap enough to not really matter.

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SR2Z 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, the speed and price are why I use it. I find that any LLM is garbage at writing code unless it gets constant high-entropy feedback (e.g. an MCP tool reporting lint errors, a test, etc.) and the quality of the final code depends a lot more on how well the LLM was guided than the quality of the model.

A bad model with good automated tooling and prompts will beat a good model without them, and if your goal is to build good tooling and prompts you need a tighter iteration loop.

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nwienert 8 hours ago | parent [-]

This is so far off my experience. Grok 4 fast is straight trash, it literally isn’t even close to decent code for what I tried. Meanwhile Sonnet is miles better - but even still, Opus while I guess technically being only slightly better, in practice is so much better that I find it hard to use Sonnet at all.

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SR2Z 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Not Grok 4, the code variant of Grok. I think it's different - I agree with you Grok 4 kind of sucks.

	▲	nwienert 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I meant to say code actually my bad, I found it significantly worse.