“There you are, Mr. Netanyahu! Just who do you think you are, killing thousands and flattening neighborhoods, then wrapping yourself in Judaism like it’s some shield from criticism? You’re making life for Jews miserable, and life for American Jews impossible!” - Jewish character on the latest South Park, a show created and run by two Jewish people.

Also ”It’s not Jews vs. Palestine, it’s Israel vs. Palestine!”

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flyinglizard 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Palestinians don't discern Jews and Israelis. If you listen to this recording you'll understand - they're after the Jews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACNYtaLBQI

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Joeboy 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you're probably propagandizing rather than trying to engage coherently with the conversation, but perhaps I'm missing something.

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flyinglizard 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I was directly referring to your closing line saying ”It’s not Jews vs. Palestine, it’s Israel vs. Palestine!”. Given that about half of Israelis are Arab in origin, and about a fifth are proper Muslims, the objection of Palestinians is not to Israelis but to Jews. The video I linked demonstrates the common mode of thought in that part of the world.

	▲	Joeboy 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You linked audio of a phone call from a Hamas terrorist, as evidence that "Palestinians don't discern Jews and Israelis". I hope you can see the irony there. There's also, I think, an irony that antisemites and Zionists are united in their their efforts to conflate Jewishness with the actions of the Israeli state. I think it's a welcome development that Parker / Stone / Sheila Broflovski aren't going along with it.

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catigula 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hard to imagine that this argument exists, the real victims of mass murder aren't the actual victims of mass murder.

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Joeboy 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If a country was killing thousands of people and saying it was to make people like you safer, might you not be inclined to point out it's having the opposite effect?

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catigula 5 hours ago | parent [-]

No, that isn't my general reaction to Hitler saying he killed Jews to make Europeans safer.

My reaction is "what are you talking about, psycho murderer?"

That's a good look, try that.

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Joeboy 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Perhaps we'll have to agree to differ, but I think American Jews being like "not in my name" sends a more politically effective message than "what are you talking about, psycho murderer?".

tbf I'm not primarily interested in what's a good look.

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catigula 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think we're stuck and have to agree to disagree but the message sent is at least indistinguishable from the message of a self-interested sociopathic community with no moral concerns beyond their own. When I do things I at least try to make it discernible from psychopathy.

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Joeboy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't really want to get into the A word thing, but your position makes more sense to me from a perspective of being anti-Jewish, rather than pro-Palestinian. From the latter perspective, I think it's better to challenge Israel's narratives than embolden them.

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catigula 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm glad you realize how silly that word has become. In reality, groups of people via culture or whatever other mechanism do generate certain things that are undeserving or deserving of censure. For example, due to cultural reasons, 1930-1940s Germany produced a high preponderance of Nazis, so we destroyed them.

I'm not suggesting cultural destruction is possible or desireable (maybe it is, but it's not my purview), but if a culture is producing a large preponderance of murderous ethnic supremacists it's time to sound the alarm bells. This entire thing wouldn't have been possible if that community didn't make it so.

This is especially compounded given that this group feels above critique from outsiders. That is a dangerous concoction and unfortunately the end result is wanton murder and redirection of resources to abet it. I think we're all about sick of the killing now. With great power comes great responsibility to be a moral agent.

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Joeboy an hour ago | parent [-]

I think word is sometimes used as a cudgel to derail reasonable discussion. I still think it has its place and at this point, yeah I'm going to say you're unambiguously an antisemite.

	▲	catigula an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Sorry Joe, I guess we didn't frame the discussion of a checks notes horrific genocide done and abetted by and on behalf of a cultural and ethnic identity helped or hurt you specifically enough.

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