Getting away from the debate around your details (most of which didn't happen) ...

A singular terrorist event is not the same as an multi-decade occupation, on-going theft of land, discrimination, annexation plans, and - not least - a 2 year long genocide of tens of thousands of civilians.

So, no, that isn't what Hamas did.

▲ dotancohen 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

  > most of which didn't happen

Even the BBC, a generally anti-Israel organization, has reported on it:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

▲ LightBug1 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That's a Dec-23 article and doesn't take account of later independent investigations.

Regardless. I accept it's reasonable that sexualised violence took place. I accept the what happened on 7th Oct was a horrible terrorist act.

But, and apologies if this hurts, none of that, absolutely none of that, justifies what has taken place since.

There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again".

Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that.

Israel has really fucked up. It destroyed Gaza, yes. But in so doing destroyed it's reputation and standing for at least a generation.

▲ dotancohen 3 hours ago | parent [-]

  > There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that.

I'm not trying to change your opinion on that. I'm in complete agreement with you on that subject.

I am showing you that the accusations of genocide against Israel are beyond ridiculous. They are manufactured to favour the side that 1) provides oil, and 2) is in idealogical conflict with the United States. Most countries of the world either need oil or are similarly in an idealogical conflict with the US.

Just for example, the United Nations report that slanders the Jewish State about committing genocide starts off with this prose: "On 7 October 2023, Israel launched its military offensive in Gaza, which included airstrikes and ground operations". Does that sound like a logical summary of that day's events?

	▲	LightBug1 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		So, despite all the testimonials and video evidence to the contrary, the findings of the world's leading association of genocide scholars, despite Jewish holocaust experts, despite my own conversations with doctors on the ground ... you seek to label accusations of genocide as "beyond ridiculous" from one sentence in a UN report? Not just dishonest. But sickening, frankly.

▲ dotancohen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This has not been a single terrorist event. Hamas has been shooting rockets at us for almost two decades before the October 7th attacks. They are still shooting rockets at us, some have fallen yesterday and today. And I'm not even talking about the rockets shot at us from other Muslim nations, such as Yemen, that just proves that this is a Muslim against Jewish war and not an Israel against Hamas war. 19 Israelis were injured in a rocket attack from Yemen yesterday.

And how could you oppose both the occupation and annexation plans? Annexation is an end to occupation, no? I also think that the occupation has been going on for far too long, though I fault UNRWA and the PA for that as much as I fault Israel.

	▲	LightBug1 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You've relayed one side of the story. I'm aware of the other side. Taking both together, nothing you've said justifies what has taken place over the last 2 years. And your comment on annexation as an end to occupation was truly bizarre, but ... unsurprising at this stage.

▲ skinkestek 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	LightBug1 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I accept it's reasonable that sexualised violence took place. I accept the what happened on 7th Oct was a horrible terrorist act. But, and apologies if this hurts, none of that, absolutely none of that, justifies what has taken place since. There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that. Israel has really fucked up. It destroyed Gaza, yes. But in so doing destroyed it's reputation and standing for at least a generation.