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bdcravens 2 days ago

I realize this will come off as snide, and result in downvotes, but looking to the success of Ruby and Rails today, the "community" is as much the money that's been poured into the ecosystem as it is the warm fuzzies and volunteers. Without the millions of dollars companies like Heroku, Shopify, Basecamp, Github, 37 Signals, and others have spent in terms of money and developer-hours, the projects we know and love would be in a much different place. To that end, those entities are as much the "community" as the developer who has done nothing but "gem install" and put cute stickers on their laptop.

em-bee 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

those entities are as much the "community"

sure, but the issue is that one of these entities now demands exclusive use of something that should be shared between them and others.

saying that "this belongs to the community" doesn't mean that this entity is not part of the community, but that they don't get to exclusively own something that should be owned by everyone.

sc68cal 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Heroku, Shopify, Basecamp, Github, 37 Signals, and others have spent in terms of money and developer-hours

Companies are legal fictions that we allow to exist. The _people_ are the ones who did the development, management, and all the other things that had to be done.

The companies may have _paid their salaries to do so_ but there are plenty of open source communities that exist without the direct funding of work.

mikeg8 2 days ago | parent [-]

This splitting of hairs between the legal entities and the work of their paid teams/employees isn’t adding strength to your argument. Companies are run by people and those people get to make decisions on the allocation of resources. If they decided to put substantial resources into OSS, the company does get to claim credit there.

> there are plenty of open source communities that exist without the direct funding of work.

Great! Maybe the Ruby community can strive for this in the future but it does not reflect the OPs point that these companies and their outsized contributions via time and money are still core to the existing community we have today.

dbalatero 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't tell what point you're trying to make here?

bdcravens 2 days ago | parent [-]

That dismissing the concerns of organizations, big and small, that have contributed to Ruby's success is intellectually dishonest.

dbalatero 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Which organizations that you mentioned (Heroku, Shopify, Basecamp, Github, 37 Signals) have been dismissed? This post seems focused on Ruby Together & Ruby Central and struggles within.

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nyeah 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm having trouble finding a specific meaning here. Has some concern been dismissed? By who?

mikeg8 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you are spot on here, although many may not like to acknowledge it.

nyeah 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're right. To me, "gem install" and "cute stickers" come off as snide remarks. Maybe that's partly because you directed those comments at someone who claims to have done major development work.

yunohn 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very unclear if you read the post and understood that the author is actually a full blown OSS contributor and maintainer - and the point of the post is that they built Bundler, which Ruby Central has now “stolen”.

BoredPositron 2 days ago | parent [-]

It's MIT licensed legally there was nothing stolen.

yunohn 2 days ago | parent [-]

That would only be the case if they forked it - but not a hostile takeover of the original repository.

BoredPositron 2 days ago | parent [-]

But it wasn't a hostile takeover they were admins. Maybe GitHub has to provide more protection for the user that created the repository but nothing that happened was illegal. Which makes it worse in my opinion and shows that we have some deficits on the side of GitHub.

rexpop 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sure the developer community would have spent the money if we'd had it, but unfortunately ROI has not trickled down quite so far as promised.

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