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80 points by sohkamyung 10 hours ago | 72 comments
geerlingguy 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nit: It's the Pi 500+ (the + was eaten up by HN's automated title sensationalism-removal, I guess)

And I've posted benchmark data to my sbc-reviews repo here: https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/81

Performance-wise it's pretty much the same as the Pi 5 16GB (and can be slightly faster than the regular Pi 500 depending on the task, if it benefits from faster storage or more RAM...)

Since this is the first Pi with built-in NVMe (I'm not counting the Compute Module Developer Kit), I plugged in an eGPU and tested a new 15-line patch for AMD GPU drivers, which seems to support practically all modern AMD graphics cards[1].

[1] https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/full-egpu-acceleratio...

soneil 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Nit: It's the Pi 500+

I really want to hope the name is a nod to the Amiga 500+ (which had twice the RAM of the A500 ..)

chrismorgan 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The ultimate all-in-one PC

I object to this labelling: the term “all-in-one PC” has always been used to mean a computer integrated into a screen, to which you must add a keyboard and mouse (or more likely it will be bundled with a low-quality keyboard and mouse). But this is a computer integrated into a (good) keyboard, to which you must add a screen and mouse—and screens are more expensive than keyboards. Even a basic not-too-horrible screen will cost another $80, and the sort of screen you might like to pair with such a keyboard might be double that.

geerlingguy 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah; the marketing language around new Pi products is always a bit flowery... besides this misnomer calling it 'AIO', the marketing also says "uncompromising performance" and "premium desktop computer", which I'd argue are quite a stretch, unless you're comparing it to SBCs and not... desktop computers!

daft_pink 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I also don’t get the language and would prefer to supply my own Keychron with a regular raspberry pi.

esseph 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Spending more on the keyboard than on the pi! :-)

imtringued 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah but screens are dirt cheap if you are willing to buy them used via classified ads.

TiredOfLife 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> screens are more expensive than keyboards

This keyboard https://www.norbauer.co/products/the-seneca?variant=48640876...

is more expensive than Pro Display XDR with nanotexture and the 1k stand

pdpi 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Adam Savage posted a video a couple of weeks ago, where he discusses this keyboard with Ryan Norbauer. That thing is overengineered to the point I'd argue it actually becomes some sort of artistic statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3FEv1qw4_w

binary132 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Overpriced to the point that it becomes an artistic statement: “The buyer fell for it again”

LiamPowell 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All the marketing for this advertises it as a desktop computer. What's the appeal of this compared to a cheaper and more powerful N150 NUC, or a used mini PC if it's for personal use where you just need one?

A N150 has about twice the CPU performance, hardware video decoding that isn't crippled, and much more software built for its architecture among other things.

qhwudbebd 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And the N150 had mainline linux support from day one, whereas I'm not sure if there's proper support for pi5-family devices in a released mainline kernel even now, two years after the launch.

They used to do an good-to-adequate job of linux support, but nowadays they seem rubbish at it. Nobody wants to be stuck on a downstream kernel full of cobbled-together device support that's too poorly-written to upstream.

regularfry 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The appeal is the form factor, really. A decent amount of compute (not amazing, but decent) built into a decent mechanical keyboard (jury's out, but I'll believe the sales pitch until shown otherwise) is unusual.

boredhedgehog 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It requires a separate keyboard, which means more space usage and more cables. And not sure, but I think the N150 has a fan, so more noise.

jsheard 7 hours ago | parent [-]

N150 machines come with or without fans, the chip is cool enough to run passively with a decent heatsink.

e.g. https://www.minix.com.hk/products/minix-z150-0db-fanless-min...

The ones with fans tend to be cheaper and have better sustained performance though.

card_zero 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Looks like the whole tiny case is the heatsink, I like it.

hyperbovine 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right, this thing is priced from an earlier (pre-BeeLink) era. There’s just so much more you can get for $200 nowadays, right off Amazon.

binary132 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It is fundamentally just a novelty product at this point.

omnimus 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Software support could be one if N150 wasnt x86 from intel.

amluto 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Holy smokes, they actually fixed my personal pet peeve of this entire product line: it has an internal M.2 slot. The performance of pretty much any SD card for a desktop workload is poor to say the least, and letting a USB boot device dangle out kind of defeats the purpose of the form factor. But this new model has actual fast internal storage!

P.S. HN mods, consider fixing the submission name. It’s 500+, not 500, and that completely changes the meaning of the article.

jsheard 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> Holy smokes, they actually fixed my personal pet peeve of this entire product line: it has an internal M.2 slot.

What's odd is that the original 500 already had an unpopulated M.2 slot, so they considered it a year ago but backed out for whatever reason.

birdalbrocum 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For 200€, you can get yourself an old Thinkpad, flash it with some coreboot variation, install a GNU/Linux distribution and in process you will learn more things and it is not an RGB keyboard; it is really an "all-in-one PC".

sys_64738 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The power of the Pi comes from the standardized 40 pin GPIO for hooking other devices up to.

j45 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, except the Pi is a throwback to the keyboard as entire computers:

- Commodore Vic 64 - Atari ST

Also, this was popular for kids during the pandemic.

I'd consider these pretty viable for kids setup with an apple ii emulator to start.

rs186 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Since the original 500 was released, I don't think there is any other major manufacturer that followed, even the Chinese mini PC makers. It feels like nobody really wants this product other than maybe some Raspberry Pi users? If this form factor makes sense, you would expect other people to build similar devices, like what happened after Steam Deck.

maratc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

An improvement over Pi 500 in many ways, but adding keys to the right of heavily-used (r) Shift / Enter / Backspace would make it much harder to find these keys without looking at the keyboard.

The previous version also had half-height arrows that had some negative space ("not keys") above them, and so it was easier to position the fingers over the arrows just by feel; this one makes it harder.

I'd hope the next generation returns to the previous keyboard layout (which was almost perfect for me.)

florianist 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So many comments are very negative here. I'm currently using a Pi 4 as my home desktop computer and I will probably replace it with a Pi 500+. I really want to avoid a pre-installed Windows, want my computer to be 100% silent, low energy, and I fancy the computer-is-in-keyboard feel. Sure, I might get a mini PC for a bit cheaper but I like to support Raspberry Pi. The products are easy to get into, have great and lasting software support, and a large community behind it.

glimshe 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

$200 and still micro HDMI? No, thanks.

Who is this product for? I've abandoned RPi after the rise of sub $200-PCs on Amazon, which usually come with power supply, on/off buttons, dual full size HDMIs, SSDs etc etc.

sys_64738 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's fine if you want a PC which is totally orthogonal to what the Pi is originally for.

ceayo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The 20 dollar minicomputer has now become the 200 dollar rgb keyboard. Still, I’ve tried and using a raspberry pi as a desktop computer but everything is so impractical. Maybe the pi 5 is better, but I do not believe it’ll ever replace normal desktop computers. Raspberry Pi’s started as a small board which you can even run Linux on, with low power consumption, so toucan run it day round for services like home assistant. In my opinion, it should stay that way.

nebalee 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The 20 dollar minicomputer has not become the 200 dollar rgb keyboard. You can still get a ~20 dollar Raspberry Pi minicomputer that runs Linux and has low power consumption: The Pi Zero 2. They expanded their range of products on the top, both performance and price wise, but boards on the other end of the range are still on offer.

XorNot 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

By the inflation calculator that's dead on the money though: https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1960?amount=1

> $1 in 1960 is worth $10.95 today

$20 * 10 = $200

LiamPowell 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The first Raspberry Pi was not released in 1960.

JonChesterfield 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm confused by the use case for this. The keyboard gets a cable running to a monitor. Might need a power cable as well but let's assume usbc covers both.

An alternative is a raspberry pi on the vesa mount, or attached to the monitor arm. The cable to a keyboard is now optional, wireless USB being much easier than wireless displayport.

Keyboard can now be flat too.

When is this a good idea?

indigo945 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The marketing blurb that's linked makes it quite clear that this targets retro hobbyists, who want a modern take on the C64. It's not really meant to be a practical design.

It still is a more practical design than a flat keyboard, which only masochists would use willingly.

pengaru 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I thought these kinds of ~affordable computers in keyboards were obviously aimed at families/young users plugging into an existing TV in the living room, like a modern take on the C64.

regularfry 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So if they had made one change, it would be fantastic as a throw-in-the-backpack computer.

That change would be to support display port alt-mode on a USB-C port, rather than only having mini-HDMI. If they'd done that, you could plug AR glasses like the XReal One straight into it, and not need a separate screen. Your entire compute becomes a keyboard+power, glasses, and wireless mouse. That would be really nice: two cables, total, one for power to the pi and one from the pi to the glasses.

As it is, you need an hdmi to usb-c converter, which also needs to be powered, another couple of cables, and more of a setup faff each time. It sounds minor, but it's a missed opportunity. For me it turns it from "take my money" to "eh... I can do better."

bluelightning2k 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is impressive but really odd.

Isn't the entire point of Raspberry Pi to not be premium with a nice form factor, etc.

And why would I use a mechanical keyboard to drive the type of workload I'd be doing on a Pi.

Seems like they've taken super opposite and incompatible parts of PC use-cases and combined them in a really odd way.

Great industrial design. Which again isn't something I'd want from a Pi. But at the same time we all appreciate.

I kind of like it but do find it baffling.

rbanffy 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> When we’re designing new Raspberry Pi products, we naturally look back to the computers of our childhoods: the tastefully beige BBC Micro, the Sinclair Spectrum with its rubber keyboard, the Commodore 64 “breadbin”, or the grandfather of them all, the Apple II.

Now someone needs to make the keycaps with the right themes - black with function keys for the BBC, QL-looking for the Spectrum, shades of brown for the 64, and brown with "BELL" on the G for the Apple II.

JdeBP 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Although for many years people have just been putting Pis inside actual home computer cases. In the BBC case, as a (software programmable) Second Processor connected over the Tube.

* https://youtube.com/watch?v=mP7fiaync5E

shellac 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> QL-looking for the Spectrum

I was going to object, but probably right to just skip the horror of the true Spectrum keyboard.

zeristor 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe they meant the ZX Spectrum II, known to some as “The Toaster” for some reason.

Rubber keyboard, I heard it referred to as dead-flesh.

It put me off computing for a few years, that and all the bloody modes for different keywords.

rs186 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where's the plus sign in the original title? The current one (with "Raspberry Pi 500") does not make any sense.

pjmlp 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Looks quite alright and as someone from the 8 bits generation I get the idea, added to my possible gadgets list.

thomassmith65 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I keep waiting and waiting for a revival of beige plastic in the tech industry. This would be a perfect candidate.

apexalpha 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This would be so much better to use in schools than Macs, iPads or crappy Windows PCs.

I hope many schools see this and will consider it.

extraduder_ire 4 hours ago | parent [-]

For schools in particular, the promise to keep making them until at least January 2035 is a big boon for replacing broken ones. Even if it'll likely be replaced with something better long before then.

tiniuclx 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems like an interesting product for tinkerers and hobbyists, or possibly for educational purposes (e.g. Linux computer for university students to learn on). I find it hard to see how this can replace a more typical small desktop computer though.

72deluxe 4 hours ago | parent [-]

What sort of things are most people doing on their desktop computer that needs more power or RAM though? I can't imagine.

You can still buy woefully underpowered laptops with hopeless resolutions and with 4GB of RAM running Windows 11, and that is a horrible desktop experience. At least with this it is a usable desktop machine, where the normal bottleneck was IO speed.

kotaKat 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

STILL no full size HDMI port? Did they let Officer Mayonnaise spec the port on this one?

OhMeadhbh 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh man! It has a REAL keyboard! TAKE MY MONEY!

geerlingguy 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For those who don't read through the specs, it uses Gateron KS-33 low-profile 'blue' switches (though the plastic on the Pi 500+ switches is grey, not blue).

In my testing, the keyboard was between 55-60 dBa from about a foot away. Not quiet, but so much better to type on than the Pi 400/500's chicklet keyboard that came before.

It's a mid-tier mechanical keyboard with low-end desktop performance. So it's not going to move the needle if you're satisfied with an N150 mini PC and a cheap keyboard. But if you were already thinking of buying a Pi, or you like the keyboard-computer aesthetic, this is now the top-end for that (especially considering the 16 GB of RAM).

TacticalCoder 9 hours ago | parent [-]

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M95D 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not a real keyboard until it has at least 103 keys.

Kim_Bruning 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it ... is it worth buying for the keyboard alone?

boneitis 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it's just the keyboard appearance itself piquing your interest, you might check out the Keychron K3 (the brand has apparently grown a lot since I was last shopping around for keyboards, so it looks like they have a "K", "K Pro", and "K QMK" as well as several other "[Insert Letter Here]" lines of models now... back then all they had were K keyboards).

To clarify, this is to say I'm looking on their website right now and seeing at least five variants of "K3" alone.

It's hard to tell when all the promotional photos are showing either a partial shot or an aggressive angle, but it looks so much like my K3 that I actually thought they were going to say they collaborated with Keychron on the design.

geerlingguy 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Definitely not.

Though it would be a decent standalone keyboard if they updated the 'Pi Keyboard' design (one of their oldest products) with this top case, and with a USB 3 hub integrated into it. Price would have to be in the sub-$100 range to be interesting, though.

fatihkocnet 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why they keep raising prices? They are going for laptop prices with this pace

HelloUsername 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice Tenacious D quote

threatofrain 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depending on what you want to experiment with, a Mac Mini might be far more cost-productive for most people wanting to play with software and servers.

pedro_caetano 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A large part of the original Ethos of the Raspberry Pi foundation is to bring back some of the technology fascination and allure that children in 1980's Britain experienced with the BBC Micro and Acorn computers (which ultimately led to today's ARM).

We can assume the 500 is meant more as a nostalgia 'one-computer-for-every-child' design more so than a powerful work house for developers.

fsckboy 8 hours ago | parent [-]

yes, but without us, who will teach these children to piss and moan about everything!?

this device would make a very practical workstation for developing Raspbery Pi software for little embedded RPi projects.

pjmlp 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, where can I get a new one at comparable Pi prices?

threatofrain 6 hours ago | parent [-]

If you're buying Raspberry Pi's, either the form factor or power requirements really worked for you, such as if you're in robotics, IoT sensors, or hardware-adjacent stuff, or you knew you were spending a little bit extra for the hobby space.

That includes all the people setting up home labs for their own learning. An M1 is about $250 refurbished under Amazon's protection program. If you intend to use this as a hybrid device, which many frugal people do, then you'll also likely be using this as a desktop device connected to a monitor. The cost of electricity will rival your purchase in a year.

If you're gonna buy a throwaway computer for a child to experiment with, IMO a used Mac Mini delivers unbelievable price efficiency as a general-purpose computer. Use it as a server, use it for programming, use it for homework.

pjmlp 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I asked for a new one, and I am not going to pay such prices for 2nd hand stuff, assuming they exist at all, cheapest is 320 € on Amazon Germany.

wewewedxfgdf 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's the point of this? Where does it fit, who is it aimed at apart from Explaining Computers and good old Jeff Geerling (hiya Jeff!).

Maybe if it has been designed into a retro style case or something?

As it stands it's very hard to see who would want this.

rs186 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Since the original 500's release I have never seen a single forum post (in generic tech discussions) about the product.

In other words, for me who spends lots of timing reading/watching discussions/reviews of gadgets, this never came up once, anecdotally.

I don't think you are alone in your confusion.

jacquesm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

One has been sitting in my hallway closet running a pretty complex HA setup. It has been so rock solid that I more or less forgot about it.

XorNot 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This one has been on my radar as a first computer for my son for a while - just lock out the wifi and set it up with a "boot to basic" image maybe?

Certainly something which could grow to support some Arduino work.

EDIT: Admittedly this would be a no brainer if there was an off-the-shelf Atari ST style thing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST purely for the sheer mass providing some protection.

wewewedxfgdf 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Kids don't want "boot to basic". Old fogey's like me brought up on Commodore 64 look back on boot to basic like the good old days, but "boot to basic" is long gone and no-one is interested in that, except conceptually old people think it makes kids learn because that's what made them learn, but back in the old days you tolerated boot to basic in a world in which the only computer for 3 square miles was the BBC micro sitting in front of you.

BoredPositron 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice I make good money repairing high end cameras by replacing micro HDMI ports. I hope it becomes standard lol.

close04 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Might be good value for the keyboard alone but too bad they couldn't put anything better than the 7 year old A76 CPU in there. I understand the reasoning, the ecosystem consistency, I know that the price limits how cutting edge the internals can be, but it's still a pity, for my interest at least.