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zeroq 11 hours ago

One of my "sales pitches" is "I can find answers online, I know kung-fu".

I've been using internet since '98, and I somehow developed this elusive skill of knowing how to navigate all these ads, seo farms, paid content, murky websites, and getting straight to the answer, no matter what the question was.

For a long time I didn't thought of that as a special power. I thought it was natural, like driving a car, or speaking English. And I occasionally got surprised seeing someone trying to find something online and spending minutes, if not hours to get to the right place.

Last couple of years I found it to be way, way harder. And it's noticeably getting worse almost on a daily basis right now.

Recently I've tried perplexity and it was absolutely amazing. I know this may sound like a sales pitch, but I was really blown away by the user experience. Except it sometimes says "results cannot be found or I am not suppose to show them to you". Well, fair game, I wouldn't be able to find these results on google either.

I've seen a lot of change in the industry last 30 years, things we took for granted or thought would stay there forever. I genuinely think Google is finished as a search engine for the web. The only problem is that we don't have a solid contender yet. Perplexity is close tho.

thecopy 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Try DuckDuck Go, it performs significantly better than Google for me

aniforprez 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

My experience with DuckDuckGo has been very mixed. I have to frequently resort to Google, especially for error messages where DDG returns zero results yet Google has indexed and finds a GitHub issue with that exact same text in it. The image searches are also really bad. I am sticking with using DDG but I have a shortcut ready in case I need Google and overall I'd really like something else considering it's a thin wrapper around Bing. I'll try out Kagi and see if it's worth paying

benhurmarcel 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find it's still not that difficult to have that "special power", but you have to adapt your tools. Before the only tool you needed was Google, now you need to know which one to use for each type of request.

I mostly juggle with Google, Kagi, and various LLM (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Perplexity... but the differences matter less).

DecentShoes 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Google deliberately made search worse so users do multiple searches for each query so they can profit off showing more ads:

https://journalrecord.com/2025/02/20/is-google-making-search...

alanh 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right? Google is dog caca now. Myself and everyone I know keep getting sent to AI-written garbage nonsense slop websites, or for some reason, to the Hindustan Times

oersted an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I've completely stopped using Google since the ChatGPT search Chrome extension came out. That was, what, almost 2 years ago? More? It simply redirects URL-bar searches to ChatGPT (with the web search toggle active) instead of Google, nothing fancy.

I didn't explicitly decide to stop using Google, it just happened, I didn't need it anymore, just like I went from using StackOverflow daily to never opening it again. ChatGPT with search is just better (at least ChatGPT Plus). Granted, it is noticeably slower to get a first result, but end-to-end it's a much faster way to find your answer.

igleria 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Jaja, dijo caca!

ontopic: This debacle started way earlier than when google decided that the "don't be evil" motto was to be removed, methinks.

Foobar8568 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah for some reasons it ranks among the first newspaper any times I am looking for some US news. It feels like someone tweaked the algorithm for money.

willtemperley 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't disagree - yet their share price hit ATH this month.

dmbche 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

oddly this "caca" felt more visceral to me that most "poop"'s or "shit"'s I've seen in a bit. summoned an image instantly. probably just surprise - good choice!

zeroq 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

reminds me of a blackhat presentation of a web crawler

two young gentlemen introduced it as "caca", seemingly an acronym for sth, but they just couldn't help themselves and kept chuckling for next five minutes.

oblio 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Caca" means shit in a bunch of languages (at least as a term used with children, but not only, in Romanian, French, etc), that's probably the reason.

daliusd 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have found both perplexity and Claude.ai good enough. Since I pay for claude because of development, why not use it as search engine as well? So maybe the future is multi provider?

WhyNotHugo 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I didn't thought of that as a special power. I thought it was natural, like driving a car, or speaking English.

You’re clearly taking for granted any learnt skills which you have and projecting them to others. A substantial portion of the world population can’t speak English, and I suspect the grand majority of humans don’t know how to drive a car either.

I know you have to turn the wheel to turn the car and that I should keep to the right, but that doesn’t count as actually knowing how to properly operate a car.

dxdm 5 hours ago | parent [-]

OP clearly (to borrow your choice of word) wants to express that they thought people simply learn how to find information by simply using a search engine over time, just like you can become proficient in other activities by repeatedly doing them; and they gave some examples that many people here can relate to as such. I don't think OP wanted to offend anyone who doesn't know how to drive a car, or suggest that everybody should be able to.

So, yeah, things are not always that clear. That's why it's so useful to give people the benefit of a charitable interpretation of their words by default.

oblio an hour ago | parent [-]

The examples OP chose are actually excellent: both of those activities require deliberate practice and years of training (education) and people who don't do either of those suck at them.

Think of the average person you know that had terrible results in middle school and high school or of the average driver, that thinks he's better than 80% of drivers out there.

imiric 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I genuinely think Google is finished as a search engine for the web.

Google Search is garbage, but highly unlikely to be "finished". Millions of people still find it useful, and Google is adopting "AI" on the results page just like any other "AI" web search service. The reason the UX is not good is, first of all, subjective, and second of all, because Google is in the advertising business, and they've found it more profitable to corrupt their results page and deal with any negative feedback, than to deliver clean results like they did decades ago without the profit.

This is a carefully planned, tested, and executed design decision, just like anything they do on the SERP, and not some arbitrary sign that they don't know what they're doing anymore.

The possibility of a new player disrupting the dominance of a trillion-dollar corporation that has built a highly optimized index of the entire web over decades, by leveraging technology that requires vast resources to run, is highly unlikely. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Google could improve the search UX tomorrow if they wanted to.

> The only problem is that we don't have a solid contender yet.

Sure we do. Kagi offers a much better UX, and I haven't had the need to rely on external results for nearly a year now. I haven't tried Perplexity, but I imagine it could be good as well, depending on the quality of its index.

But these are relatively niche services catering to an audience that cares about these things. The sad reality is that most people simply don't, and will use whatever search engine is set as default in their browser. Which is why being the default is worth paying millions, and is literally keeping companies like Mozilla alive.