Why did anyone think it was a good idea to put tabs in the title bar. How the hell am I supposed to easily drag a window if I have 100 tabs open? Who the hell thought this was a good idea? Why do I feel like the only sane human being left on Earth? Why is this project continuing to use this horrible UI convention?

How are they going to make money or enshittify this in the future or sell it off to an evil billion dollar corporation who will sell my data off to god knows who?

</rant> :/ ...the site design is nice at least.

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DHolzer 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would hate to have a 40px title bar doing nothing except wasting space on my screen. I've been using this layout for years, and I didn't even consider that anyone could have an issue with this until I read your statement.

I'm not saying that you are wrong to disregard it due to your personal preferences, but please consider that this might not be such a horrible design as you make it out to be. Also, you can be certain that you are not the only sane person left - I think it's just that most of them don't show up on boards and forums.

	▲	bigstrat2003 13 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The parent post is overly strongly worded, but I agree with the meat of it: tabs should not be in the title bar of the window. It's worse usability for a space savings that really isn't relevant because it's so small.
	▲	ayaros 11 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Just because it is not doing anything at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't serve an important, necessary purpose. For a windowed application environment to be functional and usable, there needs to be an easy way to drag windows around the screen. When you start moving things into that space, it makes the system harder to use. A once-simple action which required minimal thought now requires you to parse an arbitrarily populated area of the screen and find a tiny gap within a litany of buttons and controls and carefully drag that part of the window. If you make a slight mistake and click on a tab or button, the unwanted activation of that control (e.g. switching to a new tab) serves to needlessly penalize the user. This is not just an issue with web browsers now, but seemingly everywhere. It's been a big issue in the macOS Finder for a while now. At the very least, Firefox still gives me the option to show the native window title bar, which I very much appreciate. It's certainly not the sexiest part of the UI, given the native element clashes a bit with FF's controls, but at least it's usable! This is an issue that could be solved by giving people a choice via a simple toggle... Most often, the option isn't there. I'm sorry people have downvoted my post here a bit, and I agree it was a bit strongly worded, but I won't apologize for venting some frustration at what I see as the perpetuation of user-hostile design choices like this.

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johnisgood 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is some space you can click on for dragging the window, or on Linux just hold Alt and move the window. I have an application for Windows that allows me to do the same.

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rpgbr 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Firefox does that too and avoid this issue reserving a small space on right site of title bar. Not the end of the world.

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csin 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Thanks for this reply. This comment chain sent me through an existential crisis.

OP made it sound like tabs in the title bar was a new innovation.

"The parent post is overly strongly worded, but I agree with the meat of it: tabs should not be in the title bar of the window. It's worse usability for a space savings that really isn't relevant because it's so small."

I was nodding to this.

But I'm also someone who cares about vertical screen real estate (enough to call it vertical screen real estate).

So I was in a hypocritical conundrum. Do I care about the title bar, or do not care about the title bar?

Check firefox. Wait wtf, my firefox has no title bar! Did I customize it myself, I don't remember removing it???

	▲	rpgbr 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I miss so much Safari's compact tabs that Apple introduced in 2021 and now removed on Tahoe. One more thing to dislike[1] in this macOS update… [1] https://manualdousuario.net/en/liquid-glass-2/

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xigoi 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’d rather ask, why are desktop environments continuing to use the horrible UI convention of stacking window managers? In a tiling window manager, there is no reason to waste space on a draggable window bar.