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add-sub-mul-div a day ago

$19 for just the Disney no-ads plan. (Which has asterisks indicating that there will sometimes be ads.)

The worst thing about this is that DVRs solved commercials on cable back in 1999, "unskippable" isn't an issue there.

Imagine the uproar and drama if the ad-skipping DVR was invented today. It simply wouldn't be allowed to happen.

jordanb a day ago | parent | next [-]

I'm pretty sure the networks sued over DVRs but they lost because they had already lost against VCRs in the 1980s (skipping ads is just a form of time-shifting).

entropicdrifter a day ago | parent | next [-]

Yep, that's true. The difference now is that streaming services have attempted to make it a crime to record the streams you get from them by embedding DRM in the connections between the streaming device and the screen you watch it on. This is the primary reason for the HDMI standard. Combined with the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, it's considered illegal to decode that video stream and record it with e.g. a screen capture device, even if it's solely for personal use.

So now if you want ad-free, you either pay extra in perpetuity for just that one feature , or you break the law. It's no wonder that piracy is back in such a big way.

add-sub-mul-div a day ago | parent | prev [-]

And then from the jaws of that victory we snatched defeat.

jajuuka a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

DVR's like Tivo fell out of favor not by accident. Any lever the cable companies could pull they did to prevent them from functioning.

add-sub-mul-div a day ago | parent [-]

The DVR is a standard device a cable company is expected to offer today. I can still skip commercials, but yeah it's a Verizon box and not Tivo.

apercu a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've had a lot of fun canceling subscriptions this year due to the low quality of 95% of the content, the series cancellations and the rising costs. I refuse to have the equivalent of the "cable bill" of 20 years ago.

mrandish a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm willing to pay for consistently good content but ads of any kind are a deal breaker. For the moment I'll set aside that the quality and frequency of good content has fallen across the leading services and that current prices are no longer appropriate for the value received. My plan is to put together a dedicated media server with a high-end GPU and an input capable of recording HDMI 2.1 4k HDR10+ (at a 42Gbit data rate (FRL 48G)). I accept that this will be expensive and difficult but it's important to me. I've already acquired and tested a box capable of stripping HDCP copy protection from such an HDMI feed (because future availability is never certain).

My goal is not only skipping ads but also skipping around in program content with low latency and high responsiveness. This is because another result of the failing streaming media economic model is that content providers are "padding" the length of content they commission to cut their per-hour costs while retaining perceived value. So an 8 episode mini-series is really ~6 episodes of story stretched to fill 8 and now a two hour 'original' movie is just a bloated cut of a 95 minute tight story. Once you've paid for the actors, crew and sets, shooting longer scenes and using more coverage shots is cheap. Having a background in film and video production, it's surprisingly easy for me to spot content that's been padded and then self-edit it in real-time - although features like auto scene detection and variable speed playback (with audio pitch correction) would make it even better.

Even the better DVRs in cable/satellite boxes are too laggy and, of course, most don't provide much flexibility in skip increments and other necessary features. Media distributors are only providing DVR as a checkbox feature because they can up-charge for it but then hard-limiting its features because it hurts the other side of their business model. I don't expect the "almost acceptable" built-in DVR I have today to remain acceptable for long - because the DVR provider's incentives aren't aligned with mine. It's slowly going to keep getting nerfed, which is why a stand-alone DVR is the only viable option for the long-term. And thanks to HDCP DRM and the DMCA, the only DVRs which will give viewers what they want will be DIY hardware running open source components. My medium term plan is to train up an AI for auto-skipping commercials.

vel0city a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> DVRs solved commercials on cable back in 1999, "unskippable" isn't an issue there.

I had a DirecTV DVR box that had unskippable ads for some content. It would download fresh local ads from the internet into the ad breaks from the pre-recorded satellite content. Blocking the cable box from the internet just ensured it was always the same old ad content or forced the original ad segments but also limited/broke a lot of other features of the cable box.

It only did it on some shows on some networks. Paramount was the most obvious one, a lot of the recordings of their shows had that "feature" enabled.

add-sub-mul-div a day ago | parent [-]

I've never seen that before, but I've never had satellite. That's terrible.