Get a 403 from EU. Is there a better source?

willvarfar 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

These are the main points listed in the article:

* Automatic Refunds for Cancellations: Airlines want to remove the requirement to provide automatic refunds when flights are cancelled or significantly altered. Passengers may instead receive only vouchers or no compensation at all, leaving them without recourse in the event of a major flight disruption.

* Transparency of Fees: The airlines also aim to strip away rules that require them to disclose all fees (like baggage, seat assignments, and service charges) upfront. Instead of the clear, itemized pricing system that passengers currently rely on, airlines could hide fees until later in the booking process, making the true cost of a ticket much higher than expected.

* Family Seating Guarantees: Under current regulations, airlines must ensure that families with young children are seated together without additional charges. This would no longer be guaranteed under the new proposal, meaning families could face extra costs just to sit next to one another.

* Accessibility Protections for Disabled Passengers: The deregulation proposal also targets protections for disabled passengers, weakening their access to support and assistance during air travel.

Nasty site full of a gazillion trackers etc.

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rancar2 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) encourages all airlines to guarantee that young children are seated adjacent to an accompanying adult without charging any additional fee.” https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/airline-family-se...

There is not coverage beyond one adult already in the US. With an additional adult and one child, the airlines already adds in fees. It’s also non-transparent when booking that they have made sure the easy path is the charged path, especially now that airlines make you pay to guarantee being seated together prior to flight checkin 24 hours in advance of takeoff.

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redwall_hp 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Automatic Refunds for Cancellations: Airlines want to remove the requirement to provide automatic refunds when flights are cancelled or significantly altered. Passengers may instead receive only vouchers or no compensation at all, leaving them without recourse in the event of a major flight disruption.

Basically half of flights I've ever booked have had a cancellation. Usually the airline customer service had to rebook a new itinerary for the same purpose, but once in the past year they had to issue a refund because all possible routes went through DFW and they had lightning, which they have all the time.

It's absolutely ridiculous to even suggest that you should be able to take someone's money and not render services. That's a fundamental part of commerce.

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hedora 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah; I wonder if this is going to lead to chargebacks.

I wonder if there are any anti-retaliation provisions, or if they’ll just have a special no-fly list for people they sold non-existent flights to, and that refused to pay up.

	▲	lxgr 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's literally why chargebacks exist. Whoever drafted this particular idea must not be very familiar with how card payments work.

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thombat 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They'll add a footnote explaining that the term "flight" should be understood as a non-refundable ticket in a transport lottery. Similarly to how most sales of entertainment now are providing you with a revokable license to access it, rather than a reusable copy in your possession.

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ghaff 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Basically half of flights I've ever booked have had a cancellation.

You would seem to be a very unlucky person. My record is somewhere in the low single digits. Obviously, my percentage of flights with some delays has been somewhat higher.

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lxgr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> no compensation at all, leaving them without recourse in the event of a major flight disruption

Would airlines even get away with that, given that card payments for non-provided services can usually be trivially charged back?

Presumably business travelers would not always care enough, but their company's expense management department certainly would.

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palmotea 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> * Family Seating Guarantees: Under current regulations, airlines must ensure that families with young children are seated together without additional charges. This would no longer be guaranteed under the new proposal, meaning families could face extra costs just to sit next to one another.

Capitalist money-making idea: guarantee young children are seated as far away as possible from their parents if the fee is not paid, then offer to collect the fee from other passengers seated next to the child. Double the cost if it's a baby.

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cft 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am in the EU and I get 200

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unwind 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Data point: it worked for me, also in the EU.

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pluc 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://archive.is/wWXqY

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lawn 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Works for me.