_why's departure had nothing to do with the Ruby community, as far as we know (unless some new info has come to light recently)

Zed Shaw, sure, but that's a single person (though a very vocal one; I always liked his work, but he was pretty outspoken and that got under people's skin)

DHH - yes, opinionated to a fault and outspoken like ZS, prone to create division, but that was always more about Rails than Ruby (this is not a comment on DHH recently, which I know nothing about; I stopped being active in Ruby/Rails community over a dozen years ago).

Rails vs Merb - again I think you're conflating the Rails community with the Ruby community

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leakycap 6 hours ago | parent [-]

If you don't realize the overlap in the Rails and Ruby on Rails community, I'm not sure what corner of the Ruby world you've been hiding in.

Someone can shush away any behavior if they want, like you have done. Feel free to provide an alternate history or context for the current Ruby community upheaval if you want, but just dismissing the problems of the past doesn't help anyone.

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insane_dreamer 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not dismissing the problems of the past. I just don't think they were as big problems as you make them out to be. It's not like I wasn't around or unaware, I just didn't let it bother me - and was happy with how things were developing despite some arguments around the fringes as in any community.

> I'm not sure what corner of the Ruby world you've been hiding in.

I did say that I haven't been involved for the past dozen years. Before that I was definitely there when Rails burst onto the Ruby scene and its early years. I realize the overlap but they were still pretty distinct -- though maybe that's changed in the past decade.

	▲	leakycap 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"it didn't affect me so I didn't care" is a common and valid feeling up until you are aware of what is happening I developed with Ruby from the beginning and loved Ruby on Rails for many reasons. The community's backstabbing nature and callousness toward people who put a lot of work in was not something I ever admired and it's led us here.