Remix.run Logo
terminalshort 16 hours ago

Yeah, I guess it's a good idea given the state of our current system. But it seems like prisoners fall into two basic categories - 1. people who very few employers would hire for remote work due to their criminal history. 2. people who really shouldn't be in prison at all.

indrora 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The kinds of folks I've worked with who have served time vary from place to place, but I'll give you a good rundown of some of the flavors I worked with when I did daylabor work in college and high school...

* People charged with something stupid (e.g. shoplifting) that turned into a larger problem (e.g. crossing state lines) which became an even larger problem (e.g. nonviolent, passive drug charges). One guy I worked with had lived on one side of the river in St. Lois but worked on the other side. Walmart decided that he'd "shoplifted" a $2 bottle of soda, legally he fled the state by going home, and his kid had hid a gram of weed in the shoebox by the door that nobody opened except of course the cops that flooded the house. He served 10 years after a plea deal that sunk his kid into juvie for 5 years.

* People who "did a crime" to prevent a crime. Another person I worked with shot his son 5 times in the chest after his son attempted to murder the wife. Because the only testimony they had was an asian woman who didn't speak great english and the court denied an interpreter for her native language (laoatian) because she "speaks good enough english", her description of the events was murky (having been asleep) and so he landed murder charges and a stint in prison.

* People who got racism'd into prison: Same work as the previous, the older latino guy in this group was framed for the death of a woman he spent the evening with; he had left after they hooked up and she ended up falling off the balcony of her apartment later on, but because time of death is like, +/- a few hours when it snows on top of you, he was the last one to see her. He spent 4 years in prison before he was released on a mistrial.

* Drug users of the nonviolent variety. Nose candy, heroin, weed, usually white collar or upper blue collar. Several folks like this, all who just wanted their past to be shoveled behind them.

* People who legitimately did a crime, did the time, and now they're out: Plenty of situations where legit crimes happened... Theft, assault, even a case of money laundering on occasion. They went in, did their time, and came out, and day labor was the one thing that didn't ask too many questions and paid regularly.

A fair number had degrees -- from associates and bachelor's degrees to even a PhD who was nailed for what the state called a "gambling ring" (some informal betting around the office that ended up snowballing into a massive pot). many of them could do remote work of some kind, be it customer support roles or tech work. The MBA that did nose candy? He stayed on the board of directors for a local nonprofit _while serving_ and would relay his comments through his lawyer, being entirely upfront as to why he was incarcerated, then ended up doing accounting for the day labor company after a while.

All this to say: our system is fucked up and needs rehabilitation systems for the murky area between those two extremes.

danaris 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> 1. people who very few employers would hire for remote work due to their criminal history.

Putting aside the widespread reflexive discrimination against "criminals", I would think that most people in prison who someone might think twice about hiring due to their criminal history would get a second look if it was for a remote job.

Someone working remotely can't rob or murder you, nor can they try to sell you drugs without a much more elaborate setup.

Seems to me the only kinds of people in prison that most employers might justly hesitate to hire for a remote job are white-collar criminals.

delichon 5 hours ago | parent [-]

They can still do real damage. When hiring criminals be prepared for them to act like criminals.

https://www.corrections1.com/investigations/ga-inmate-accuse...

https://www.wltx.com/article/news/crime/south-carolina-inmat...

danaris 4 hours ago | parent [-]

...and those are both, exactly as I said, white-collar criminals.

boston_clone 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Where do you get that idea? The article paints a pleasantly different picture:

> "We had 87 assaults on staff in 2017. Last year, we had seven assaults on staff [...] the officers that go to work everyday and don't feel like their life is at risk."

hackable_sand 10 hours ago | parent [-]

How is that pleasant? Y'all disgust me. Free them.

danaris 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That would be fantastic, but if you know literally anything about America, you'd know that that's not something in our power to effect. Especially right now.

Reforms like this, however, are much more realistic.

Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

boston_clone 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry, I think we may be misaligned - such a significant decrease in violence that is almost inherent to such a dark system is something worth noting.

I only highlighted that decrease as counter to the false dichotomy of the parent - clearly, an improvement in our prison practices can benefit not only incarcerated people, but the wellbeing of the staff and surrounding community.