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ugh123 12 hours ago

We'll see if he's truly "reinstated" or just let back on with a leash.

Nothing Kimmel said earlier constituted 'hate speech' or misinformation. Republicans can't stand their feelings hurt, especially while they're in power.

duxup 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s amazing the disconnect from Kimmel’s statement and the response.

At first I thought the clips showing what he said might be the wrong clip…. Nope.

shadowgovt 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm trying not to read too much into it, but if anything, that's the kind of strident response that I would expect from a group that is questioning their own responsibility in this.

If your reaction to someone saying untrue things is to immediately apply political pressure to hush them up, you've either lost confidence that the truth can win out in public light or you have something to hide.

throwaway091025 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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tptacek 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, for sure it wasn't hate speech, and even if it was, the federal government should have no say in whether it's aired, but it pretty easily crosses the threshold "our" side (I'm being presumptive about your politics) set over the last 5 years for misinformation. I don't want to take the other side of this "it's bad he was censored" argument, but I don't think we should be valorizing what Kimmel said, either.

ugh123 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Let's look at the quote again:

“The MAGA gang (is) desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,”

That is no more an accusation or a statement of fact as me saying "politicians are anything other than self-interested." It's a rhetorical claim, not a statement of fact.

tptacek 11 hours ago | parent [-]

It wasn't one of them. The implication of the statement was pretty clear. I'm twitchy about this because my TL and all the spaces I talk about politics in were lit up with people trying to find some combination of tea leaves indicating Robinson was a Nick Fuentes follower. I was personally convinced the shooter would be ideologically illegible, like the Minnesota shooter --- another "O9A" case. I was wrong. So was Kimmel.

And there was just no reason for him to be! I was mouthing off on local politics boards and in Slack channels; there were no consequences. Kimmel went out on that limb on broadcast television. It's a dying medium, but it's still a bigger deal than saying it privately.

Again: none of this is to say that he deserved the outcome he got. Though, I've said this before and will repeat it: the administration probably did us a huge favor here, shifting the narrative from the Kirk shooting to Kimmel's censorship.

sanktanglia 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The idea he is pushing misinformation is ridiculous,he didn't speak on the motives of the shooter only on magas insistence he wasn't maga. He didn't say he was maga, merely focused on the performative finger pointing of Republicans

zahlman 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> he didn't speak on the motives of the shooter only on magas insistence he wasn't maga. He didn't say he was maga, merely focused on the performative finger pointing of Republicans

The only thing that could have validated such finger pointing is a belief that the shooter actually was "maga". In the absence of such a belief, to say that "maga" was disavowing the shooter is not an accusation of wrongdoing. But the claim was prefaced with an assertion that "we hit a new low" in the form of this disavowal; therefore Kimmel did see it as an accusation of wrongdoing.

tptacek 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think he "is", present tense, and implying continuity, "pushing misinformation". I think he's an entertainer with basically my politics and a pretty good writing staff, and I think he made a mistake common at that moment to people with my politics. I don't find it disqualifying. But it was not, in and of itself, good.

ugh123 11 hours ago | parent [-]

If any mistake was made, it was that he let a rhetorical statement sound more like a 'fact' about republicans (see my earlier comment).

Edit: and republicans definitely know the difference, but they played up a sad situation to their benefit to hurt an opponent.

shadowgovt 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And, to be sure, if people wanted to react to what he said by declaring loudly they were boycotting his show, they're welcomed to.

The FCC isn't "people" in this sense, and it does not have the same freedom of speech that the American citizen has, nor should it.