Swift is actually a really good language let down by its official IDE. Slow build times, laggy autocomplete, random crashes etc. I can’t remember Xcode ever being great to use.

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flohofwoe 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Slow build times, laggy autocomplete, random crashes etc.

I bet these issues are caused by Swift though, because C, C++ and ObjC don't have those problems in Xcode (it's still far from perfect, but it's not slow or crashing).

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BoorishBears 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I wish Apple would buy Jetbrains... or maybe even better, sizeable investment in them so they maintain autonomy and build a warchest to survive the current AI wave.

Imagine an AppCode successor that was designed in full partnership with the XCode team? Tantalizing.

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phyzome 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

If Apple bought Jetbrains, they would ruin the Jetbrains products. It wouldn't go the way you're hoping.

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BoorishBears 4 days ago | parent [-]

I guess it's good thing there's a ton of word riggght after that...

but please don't let that stop you from being the 4th comment to repeat itself.

	▲	phyzome a day ago \| parent [-]
		Well, I'm reacting to part of what you said. The other part might be OK, but it's just too hard for me to imagine, I suppose. :-)

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tailspin2019 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

As daily user of Jetbrains’ software (and someone who agrees with TFA about xcode) I don’t want Apple anywhere near them

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BoorishBears 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

So as a daily user of Jetbrains software, who also finds XCode awful, you would not want XCode replaced by a Jetbrains project that isn't hacked together and reverse engineered like AppCode was?

Or you just wanted to be dramatic?

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TheOtherHobbes 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

What would actually happen is that all of Toolbox would be replaced by Xcode.

No one wants that.

I'm sure Apple's Dev Tools team reads HN, and it's baffling they just don't care that the product has such a bad reputation. Or if the team cares, some layer of adjacent management clearly doesn't.

	▲	BoorishBears 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		HN users are some incredibly exhausting people to deal with sometimes > or maybe even better, sizeable investment in them so they maintain autonomy and build a warchest to survive the current AI wave. Just wow, like trying to talk to an LLM that poluted its context window with the wrong idea then hyperfixated on it ad infinitum, Jesus Christ.

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estimator7292 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This would result in every current JetBrains user in every other language on every other platform suffer. That's a pretty big chunk of all programmers everywhere

	▲	BoorishBears 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Please tell me how > or maybe even better, sizeable investment in them so they maintain autonomy and build a warchest to survive the current AI wave. Somehow harms Jetbrains.

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wqaatwt 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple would abandon other IDEs and shitify AppCode over time.

Ideally they’d do what Google did with Android Studio. Of course Apple would never openly admit that their product is inferior to that of any of their competitors..

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zt64 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I also agree, I would not want this to happen.