That is one part of microsoft, yeah, but then you also them making various parts of windows worse to try to squeeze every penny out of people, and where that fails, doing things like ads for apps in the start menu

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Finnucane 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

MS directs all of its hostility toward the end user, Apple spreads it around to everybody.

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bmitc 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple is still orders of magnitude worse in every vector though. The bully everyone from users, employees, to suppliers.

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ab5tract 4 days ago | parent [-]

The Wintel coalition was anti-competitive to an extreme degree. It may have faded to the background at this point but they were caught red handed multiple times using their market dominance to utterly destroy innovative alternatives.

It doesn’t excuse Apple’s behavior, but imo they still have a long way to go to challenge the track record of MS and Intel.

	▲	rmunn 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		All those things were done under Gates and Ballmer. When Nadella stood up on stage in his first year as CEO under a big banner that proclaimed "MS (heart) Linux", I said "I'll believe it when I see it." Well, over the next decade or so, I saw it, and now I believe it. Microsoft under Nadella just plain behaves differently (and much better) than they used to behave under Gates and Ballmer.