What state has a zero shoplifting rate? You're being downvoted because you made a politically motivated statement that's very clearly untrue.

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dmitrygr 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If the statement that actually enforcing law will lower crime is politically motivated, then I’m afraid to ask what statement isn’t. Is it OK to state that 2+2 = 4, or does that have political undertones too?

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jfyi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair... you didn't make the statement that "enforcing law will lower crime". You made the statement that "Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters", which is hyperbole at best and a bad faith argument at worst.

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freedomben 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Note that you didn't answer the question about which state has zero shoplifting.

> Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters.

In your defense, you didn't claim zero explicitly (but did heavily imply it), but you also ignored the question

	▲	dmitrygr 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		No state has zero, many have very much less than others and do not see need to close stored due to loss or lock up basics behind plastic doors. Living in a few states in close succession really shows it off. Living in CA desensitizes you to it, until you go somewhere else and realize just how much desensitized to it you've become.

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wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You didn't say that "actually enforcing law will lower crime." You said "Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters." And then you tied it to voting. The initial statement is bullshit and the tie to voting makes it politically-motivated bullshit.

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dmitrygr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I've seen a shoplifter tackled to ground in AZ by loss prevention a few times. One resulted in a broken nose. I bet that person will not shoplift again. And I spent years in CA watching shoplifters walk out and store personnel saying they are NOT allowed to do anything and they were told to not call police since they do nothing and waste time. Difference? one state voted to decriminalize shoplifting below a certain amount and one did not.

	▲	wat10000 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Shoplifting is criminal in both CA and AZ. If this is some "it's just a misdemeanor which isn't really criminal" nonsense, misdemeanors are still crimes, and the threshold for a felony is actually slightly higher in AZ ($1,000 versus $950).