>Being anti AI/anti LLM is solidly in the Luddite camp; there’s really no more debates to be had. Every serious inquiry shows productivity gains by using ai.

These two sentences appear to be at odds with one another.

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Our_Benefactors 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The data showed llms are better. This put debate to rest. Now we are post-debate.

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JohnFen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What data are you talking about? Why do you value it above the data showing the opposite?

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snickerbockers 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's superior data because it supports his expectations. His expectations are right because they are based on superior data. Checkmate Luddites.

	▲	Our_Benefactors an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Meanwhile, you have furnished zero data that supports your claims. Ho hum.

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lmf4lol 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

give me one seriously peer reviewed study please with proper controls

i wait

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Our_Benefactors 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Go ahead and move the goalposts now... This took about 2 minutes of research to support the conclusions I know to be true. You can waste time as long as you choose in academia attempting to prove any point, while normal people make real contributions using LLMs.

### An Empirical Evaluation of Using Large Language Models for Automated Unit Test Generation We evaluate TESTPILOT using OpenAI’s gpt3.5-turbo LLM on 25 npm packages with a total of 1,684 API functions. The generated tests achieve a median statement coverage of 70.2% and branch coverage of 52.8%. In contrast, the state-of-the feedback-directed JavaScript test generation technique, Nessie, achieves only 51.3% statement coverage and 25.6% branch coverage. - *Link:* [An Empirical Evaluation of Using Large Language Models for Automated Unit Test Generation (arXiv)](https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.06527)

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### Field Experiment – CodeFuse (12-week deployment) - Productivity (measured by the number of lines of code produced) increased by 55% for the group using the LLM. Approximately one third of this increase was directly attributable to code generated by the LLM. - *Link:* [CodeFuse: Generative AI for Code Productivity in the Workplace (BIS Working Paper 1208)](https://www.bis.org/publ/work1208.htm)

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footy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> This took about 2 minutes of research to support the conclusions I know to be true

This is a terrible way to do research!

	▲	Our_Benefactors an hour ago \| parent [-]
		The point is that the information is readily available, and rather than actually adding to the discussion they chose to crow “source?”. It’s very lame.

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capyba 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“ Productivity (measured by the number of lines of code produced) increased”

The LLM’s better have written more code, they’re a text generation machine!

In what world does this study prove that the LLM actually accomplished anything useful?

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Our_Benefactors an hour ago | parent [-]

As expected, the goalposts are being moved.

LOC does have a correlation with productivity, as much as devs hate to acknowledge it. I don’t care that you can provide counterexamples to this, or even if the AI on average takes more LOC to accomplish the same task - it still results in more productivity overall because it arrives at the result faster.

	▲	capyba 9 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Nothing about this is moving goalposts - you and/or the person(s) conducting this study are the ones being misleading! If you want to measure time to complete a complex task, then measure that. LOC is an intermediate measure. How much more productive is "55% more lines of code"? I can write a bunch of garbage code really fast with a lot of bugs that doesn't work, or I can write a better program that works properly, slower. Under your framework, the former must be classified as 'better' - but why? I read the study you reference and there is literally nothing in the study that talks about whether or not tasks were accomplished successfully. It says: * Junior devs benefited more than senior devs, then presents a disingenuous argument as to why that's the senior devs' fault (more experienced employees are worse than less experienced employees, who knew?!) * 11% of the 55% increase in LOC was attributed directly to LLM output * Makes absolutely no attempt to measure whether or not the extra code was beneficial

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psunavy03 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If you are seriously linking "productivity" to "lines of code produced," that says all about your credibility that I need to know.

	▲	Our_Benefactors an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Do you think LOC and program complexity are not correlated? You are arguing in bad faith.

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snickerbockers 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"the data"