Responding to a dead comment from a banned account:

> The big new game for them is AI crawler metering. Don’t think browser matters much anymore from their perspective.

Truly open browsers are easy to spoof. Approved browsers with whatever attestation features they champion builtin are hard to spoof. So browsers do matter.

Edit: authentication => attestation for accuracy.

▲

jorvi 4 days ago | parent [-]

Browser attestation doesn't really matter, its device attestation. Browser attestation is downstream from that.

Google with SafetyNet attestation (whatever the hell its called these days) has pretty much locked down Android as tightly as iOS at this point.

Hell, Apple device users already get to go in the internet "approved" fast lane because of attestation. iDevices and M-series Macbooks can send out a special response that bypasses all captchas.

Windows 11 has a requirement for TPM2, which features hardware attestation too.

Linux of course cannot be locked down in a similar manner, thus cannot attest and will have to suffer for it.

It would probably be illegal for CloudFlare + Google to outright block you from accessing the internet, but they can just drown you in a sea of captchas until you give up and join the attested crowd. Hell, YouTube outright forces you to sign in if they detect a VPN, they won't even offer a captcha.

Like 'Amusing Ourselves to Death' points out, it isn't a 1984-esque brutal fascist control that will erode our freedoms, but rather a Brave New World-esque situation where people will sign away all (digital) control because the dopamine must flow.

▲

Seattle3503 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think this is why things like the mdl ID standard are important. It allows for a privacy preserving and open approach not controlled by big companies. It's not perfect, it's controlled by government. But I'd like government to at least challenge the power of Google and Apple.

▲

tracker1 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I haven't notice too many captchas from Linux myself... maybe about 50% more than Windows or Mac, but in general it hasn't been so bad. I do think that it could potentially get bad though.

I'm also not sure how this can/would shake out when you can just use tools like Playwright/Puppeteer to manage a real browser. Both Google and MS do this (not as much as bare crawlers) to handle SPA-like site content.

▲

ChocolateGod 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Google with SafetyNet attestation (whatever the hell its called these days) has pretty much locked down Android as tightly as iOS at this point.

SafetyNet doesn't lock anything down, it just provides an API for applications to verify the app is running in a verifiable and untampered environment.

▲

WhyNotHugo 4 days ago | parent [-]

> SafetyNet […] provides an API for applications to verify the app is running in a verifiable and locked down environment.

FTFY

	▲	ChocolateGod 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Verify, it doesn't do any kind of locking down itself.

▲

bstsb 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

i'd be surprised if it was actually illegal. "operating system" isn't a protected characteristic in law

	▲	1718627440 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Access to public resources is. Companies aren't even allowed to dictate what can be installed on their OS anymore.