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esafak 2 hours ago

That's what happens when you don't have religious freedom.

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kennywinker an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Where, and when, are you talking about?

All over the christian west religious freedom has come and gone. The same can be said for the islamic world.

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esafak an hour ago | parent [-]

In Iran, and the rest of the Middle East. The West scores much higher in religious freedom. The difference is plain to see going from one to the other.

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kennywinker an hour ago | parent [-]

So you’re talking about now. Currently.

But this concept is old. The quote from the guy who invented the concept of the “aryan master race”, de Gobineau, was from 1859.

That’s just 7 years after the irish potato “famine”, when the english perpetrated a genocide against catholics in ireland. Very tolerant.

Meanwhile, in 1859 in the ottoman empire - jews and christians were allowed to exist and believe what they wanted as long as they were loyal to the state and paid their special tax. Not exactly equal, but in 1859 i think i’d rather be catholic in iran than in ireland.

Your theory that this concept comes from a lack of religious freedom doesn’t really hold up if you look beyond the current moment.

	▲	esafak 20 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Iran/Persia was not part of the Ottoman Empire. They maintained a border. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Zuhab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars I agree that the Ottomans had more religious freedom- and certainly diversity. At least until the Enlightenment, which the Ottomans missed to their undoing.

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hobs an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This reads as "Islam is bad and the West is good" but besides the obvious xenophobia its just ahistorical.