I wonder if any of them have the original source, or could even compile a list of all the "Business Rules" needed to create a new version of their software, with all the need one off. Even then the "It works" mentality might not allow the risk of missing a "One off business rule", if they don't have a copy of there original source anymore... I mean maybe there a still using copies of a compiled program, that they don't know what's fully in it.. </I-Hope_NOt>.. Imagine if the same is true for pharmacy, big chemical manufacturer, then imagine finding a decent cobol programmer now a days to help smooth the conversion.. </TooMuchImaginationHopefully></StuffOfNightmares>