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deevus 9 hours ago

For me it's the repairable nature. Prior to the Framework 13 I had a bunch of Thinkpads until the enshittification by Lenovo in recent years.

aurareturn 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know Windows laptops are very finicky and unreliable. For example, loads of people complain that $3000 Razer laptops break after a few months.

I guess I'm mostly talking about Apple overall.

You're paying a lot more money for self-repairability. Frameworks are generally more expensive than Macs, sometimes 50% - 100% more expensive for a similar laptop. That's crazy.

Macs are tanks. Not a single issue with my 4 year old M1 Air. Even if there is an issue, I can still take it to an Apple Store to get it looked at.

corndoge 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Frameworks are generally more expensive than Macs, sometimes 50% - 100% more expensive for a similar laptop.

Do you have an example? An 8tb m4 macbook pro runs over 7 grand; the comparable hx370 framework 13 is barely over 3 grand. I bought both within the last couple months and found the macs to be significantly more expensive in the segment i was looking at.

aurareturn 9 hours ago | parent [-]

You can buy an M4 Air for $799 on sale frequently.[0] Meanwhile, a similar spec'ed Framework with a slower AMD CPU/GPU is $1,517.00.[1] So the repairability angle just doesn't seem worth it. If the Air breaks, just buy a new one.

Keep in mind that the M4 Air has a better display, significantly faster CPU, faster GPU, significantly more battery life, is fanless, better speakers, much better trackpad, and a thinner profile.

[0]https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/27/200-off-every-m4-macboo...

[1]https://frame.work/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/configura...

kijjure 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That can't possibly be true. I was recently considering my first ever Apple laptop but I would be paying a fortune to get RAM and storage anywhere close to offerings from any other vendor. And I've heard they're difficult or impossible to upgrade myself, so I can't even select a base model now and add more later.

gjsman-1000 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How often have you needed to repair a MacBook?

The enhanced repairability is basically insurance in case of a fault. Compared to a MacBook, or insurance for a MacBook, this insurance is overpriced.

As for the environment, the power consumption + larger design with extra parts to make it repairable + how few people ever buy parts makes this a virtue signaling wash.

codr7 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Depends, once you get a crumble or a speck of dust in the keyboard there aren't that many options.

The whole thing is fragile as hell; macbooks don't get dents, they turn into dust on impact, just like iphones.

stephen_g 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m not the OP but for me, with my mid-2015, I had the battery replaced once. This was used almost every work day until 2023. My M2 Pro MBP I then bought, never so far (as you would expect for its age) and it still feels brand new.

aurareturn 9 hours ago | parent [-]

That's 8 years of being used daily and the only thing you had to replace was the battery. That seems like a super reliable machine.

moron4hire 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the 15 years I've known her, my wife has needed to repair each of her 3 MacBooks at least once (One of them twice).

In the same time, I've had to repair one Gigabyte laptop. The second Gigabyte that needed repair, I trashed and just stopped buying Gigabyte.

That's the problem with Apple. They're build quality isn't that great, but you don't have an alternative.

aurareturn 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Were they they the butterfly era crappy Macbooks?

deevus 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Funnily enough, I had to get my M1 Pro repaired on day 1 of receiving. It had a defect in the screen that caused a white horizontal line. I was livid!

deevus 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I am sure that the Apple Store just handed you another one to replace a DOA Macbook, though.

Actually no. Where I live there is no local Apple Store. I had to take it to an authorised repairer, and it was there for 1.5 weeks.

gjsman-1000 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s called a shipping accident, from which Framework is hardly immune.

jeffbee 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am sure that the Apple Store just handed you another one to replace a DOA Macbook, though.