> There are alternatives that will not be affected by this

For how long?

i know this is amazing concept but you can just.. not follow the law, and use 'illegal' encrypted communication.

Steganography to do key exchange on any compromised channel using DH, and then you just send normal encrypted messages - their magical idea is to do client side scanning.

this does require control over your device, but such regulations would just spring up black market for such devices.

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johnisgood 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The alternatives I have in mind, indefinitely (ideally forever the way they work). You could also just continue using older versions, whereas you need to update WhatsApp to continue using it, for example.

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sneak 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Signal, foolishly, is also time-bombed.

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johnisgood 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Does it still require a phone number?

In any case, Signal is not what I had in mind. Telegram is not what I had in mind either, and in fact, Telegram still has no E2EE on desktop so whatever.

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sneak 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, but any phone number will work. That’s irrelevant to the crypto part.

EDIT: (I’m throttled and can’t reply to the child reply) - I said ANY phone number will work. You can get a number from any country, or a VoIP number, or a landline. It doesn’t need to be a sim card from the country you’re in. It doesn’t need to be a sim card at all. Any number will work.

If your country requires details to get a number, get a number from a different country. Unless you’re in China or Russia, we’re on the same internet with the same access to jmp.chat and others.

	▲	johnisgood 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It is irrelevant to the crypto part, but not when it comes to privacy because as you may know, you cannot just get a prepaid SIM card without your details in many countries, so yeah Signal is not something I would choose.

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martin-t 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If they can be private indefinitely, then you wouldn't need to keep them secret.

These attacks on freedom will continue until every computing device is mandated to have an ML system tracking your every input. And no communication method is safe from that.

Not even steganography would save you because more and more people would do it and they'd make it illegal too.

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EDIT: Technology can give us tools to fight it but this has to be defeated at the political level, likely by enshrining privacy is a core human right.

	▲	johnisgood 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> until every computing device is mandated to have an ML system tracking your every input Well, in that case yeah, that would suck. OTR, OMEMO, etc. would not help then. Collectively not buying new hardware and pushing against it collectively might.