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M4.6 Earthquake – 2 km ESE of Berkeley, CA(earthquake.usgs.gov)
139 points by brian-armstrong 7 hours ago | 89 comments
smcleod 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

4.6 is really small, what's the actual news here? Was it strangely shallow or something?

dredmorbius 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Mid-4s is where most people start feeling quakes, though the actual significance is pretty low. You'll tend to see/hear a lot of chatter online or in media.

At mag 5 there's localised damage, most characteristically of goods knocked off grocery store shelves, with glass-bottled liquids often producing a photogenic mess.

At mag 6, pre-code construction or at-risk areas (bay fill, river bottoms, sand) may see significant structural damage. The 2014 South Napa earthquake is the most recent of these, and downtown Napa was hit pretty hard, due to terrain (reclaimed river bottomlands, bay-fill, and some old masonry construction). See: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_South_Napa_earthquake>.

Mag 7 is the scale of some of the largest quakes recorded in California, including the 1906 San Francisco quake. This would create widespread damage within 100+ miles of the epicentre. Marc Reisner's A Dangerous Place (2003) includes a detailed description of impacts of a mag 7 quake along the Hayward fault, which would extend well beyond the immediate region into Southern California due to reliance on delta and Central Valley water projects.

<https://baynature.org/article/book-review-a-dangerous-place/>

Mag 8 is about the upper bound of expected seismic activity on the San Andreas and related fault systems.

vallismortis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was centered half a mile from Berkeley Lab at 2:56am, on the Hayward Fault. Knocked out the elevators in my building and one other building, but other than that no obvious issues. We've been told to be on alert for anything that looks off. Hard to predict how this affects some of the Lab equipment.

FWIW, I've been expecting something like this. The Pacific Rim ("ring of fire" or whatever you want to call it) has been overly active, and that second 7+ magnitude earthquake in Kamchatka was definitely not a coincidence. That said, earthquakes are not my area, but it is a topic we talk about in terms of catastrophic failure of storage systems as "Hayward Fault Tolerance" where we have tertiary backups in a region outside of the earthquake zone.

chrsig 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From someone that grew up in New England, but experienced a 4.x in california: I assure you it does not feel small.

The revelation that the ground does not stay where I left it was quite disturbing.

kalleboo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone who lives in Japan and has a lot of experience with earthquakes, the magnitude tells you not a lot, the depth and location/geology can easily change it from something you don't even feel to something quite big.

This is why I use every chance I can to espouse a scale like Japanese Shindo which actually measures the surface shaking (what matters to civilians) rather than the Magnitude scale that just measures the energy of the earthquake (more interesting to seismologists). Japanese news always focuses on the maximum observed Shindo which immediately tells you had bad it felt/affected people living nearby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Meteorological_Agency_se...

xkcd-sucks 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

New England is seismically active :) If you're not aware of it, the tremors can feel like a large passing truck or something like that

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=40.31872...

dekhn 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I grew up near a town called "Moodus" in Connecticut which constantly made noises and had small quakes.

But it didn't prepare me for the few small quakes I experienced in the bay area (typically a bunch of car alarms go off and dogs bark, there's a thud, and then a gentle rocking).

BoorishBears 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Never thought I'd see that town mentioned on Hacker News (or anywhere outside of Moodus)

sharksauce 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indeed -- Mount Desert Island (home of Acadia NP) had a small one just this weekend!

And we had a M4.2 one there about twenty years ago when I was living there.

dboreham 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are even earthquakes you can feel in "Old England". Not often, but I've experienced one. Lived in the BA for a few years and felt many small quakes. Lived in a very seismically active part of Montana for 25 years and felt nothing. YMMV.

sbuttgereit 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And that was just the automated response... it was downgraded to 4.3 an hour after the event.

4.3 will certainly get your attention if you're relatively close-by... but yeah, worth a "did you feel that?!" on the local news and not much more.

jweir 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many years ago a 4.5 hit when I living in Berkeley, about 2 miles aways and I thought a truck ran into my house. No rolling - just one giant jolt.

jasonjmcghee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I live in a nearby city and it woke me up (bed was shaking). Felt bigger than that, but not enough to knock anything over, seems odd to be on HN front page.

Apparently 7.6km depth is "very shallow"

toast0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4.6 is small, but anything above 4 is reasonable to report.

numpad0 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Magnitude scales and felt shocks don't really correlate well. These are like Wh and V, only roughly indicative of each others. You have to look into maximum recorded accelerations.

bombcar 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everyone is secretly (or openly) waiting for Teh Big One we’ve been promised for decades, when Western California will fall into the ocean and Las Vegas become a seaport.

Taniwha 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's an SF short story (Larry Niven I think) about a seismologist who predicts the big one, but the math is not quite right, the story gets out, panic ensues everyone heads for Nevada, he guy is still working in his lab trying to figure why the sign on his equation is coming out negative when all the rest of the US falls into the sea leaving just his part of CA

cheschire 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“… Alaska can come too.”

https://youtu.be/kCpjgl2baLs

gnarlynarwhal42 2 hours ago | parent [-]

lol I knew exactly what this was just from that quote! what a great time to be alive and online!

endofworld.swf

bombcar 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Hokay so here’s de ert.

dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a great cliff's notes version that actually makes me want to read it, especially since it's a short story. From the description, that's all it needs.

p1mrx 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"A Slight Miscalculation" by Ben Bova

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/83720/so-that-eart...

isatis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, there's a theory the latter will happen, but you'd have to be around for possibly 10 million years to see it. https://www.wired.com/story/walker-lane-move-over-san-andrea...

neuronic 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The way the 2020s are going I would not be surprised if it happens by next Tuesday.

MontagFTB 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This was the plot of a James Bond movie and when I was a teen I thought it was brilliant. Crack California off at the San Andreas- what could go wrong?

dekhn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Same as Superman I -Lex Luthor steals a nuke to hit the San Andreas fault and turn Luthor's real estate into beachfront property.

pcdoodle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Arizona Bay as Bill Hicks called it.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Learn to swim

tialaramex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Any fucking time. Any fucking day

brian-armstrong 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many of us on this website live in the bay area. The earthquake woke us up with a stern jolt and now you're witnessing a shared moment in the community as we try to drift back to sleep.

SequoiaHope 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was in a hot tub with friends! We wall went to Portola Music Festival and we were having a nice connective low key evening when this big shake surprised us!

wateralien 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was in a self-driving cab while live-tweeting a founder therapy circle on my way to my rooftop co-living space for a seed round pitch for my biohacking startup!

thehappypm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I was training an LLM to do my NIMBYism for me!

jl6 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Peak California, right here sir.

SequoiaHope 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What’s maybe peak California about it is that everyone in the hot tub was trans, and aside from me everyone had come to California as a refuge because they couldn’t be themselves in other states. California is one of the few states where we have a chance to live our lives on peace and relative safety.

rconti 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Over in Redwood City, I was woken up by MyShake, and we carefully felt for something, anything... but it was not to be.

BoorishBears 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I was awake and it was definitely stonger than any I've experienced in my 3 years in SF

I'm pretty sure this is the closest epicenter to SF I've seen too (at least one that was noticeable)

sedatk 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This was the strongest earthquake I felt since I moved to Bay Area ten years ago. Luckily, it was quite short. Woke me and all my friends in the SF and vicinity up though.

fallinghawks 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've lived in California all my life and was in San Mateo during Loma Prieta. How close you are to the epicenter has a strong effect on what you experience (it's undoubtedly more complicated than that but distance is a big factor). Last night's was 14.8 miles away from me and although I woke up, I didn't hear earthquaky sounds and shaking was moderate. Thought my partner had just flopped over in bed harder than usual. By contrast, a few years ago we had a 3.1 centered about 1.5 miles away that really made me fear it was a big one. The house jumped and stuff swayed, and I was just thinking I'd better get next to the bookcase when it stopped.

huevosabio 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same. Been 12 years in SF and this was the strongest. We were awake as well so we felt the whole thing. I think I saw the walls move.

Luckily it was short.

rbanffy 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Contrast that with my experience in Ireland - 10 years and I heard thunder only twice, and saw a lightning strike only once. We sometimes get alerts due to some tropical storm that made its way up here, and the most we need to do is to collect our garbage bins and avoid biking because of the gusts.

dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's actually surprising to me. Being in the North Atlantic, I would have thought thunder storms would be common. I lived in LA for 5 years, and I definitely missed thunder and lightning. If I were going to space, I'd bring rain/thunder/lightning sounds to listen to like we've seen in sci-fi films even more so than the ones with cricket sound tracks.

rbanffy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I live in Dublin, which is shielded from the worst storms. Still, the weather patterns are not conducing to thunderstorms and lightning strikes average to around 10 per day over the whole island.

marcosscriven 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’d say the same about East Anglia in UK, but in early ‘90s there was a tremor strong enough to notice. It was particularly strange then because you had to wait for the news on TV or radio to mention it.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/sep/25/uknews

basisword 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This can't be true. We have thunder and lightning on a regular enough basis. The lightning is rarely of the fork variety though. And although the 'named' storms usually pass without much damage, it's not uncommon for people to be killed by falling trees etc. and large numbers of people to lose power. We're very lucky when it comes to lack of dangerous natural phenomena or animals but thunder is incredibly common.

rbanffy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I live in Dublin. People say the weather is much milder here. I would expect the other coasts to be much, much worse.

idiotsecant 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's no thunder in Ireland? Why?

bombcar 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Obviously thunder is caused by snakes, and St Patrick removed those.

(Coming from the Midwest where thunderstorms are so common as to just be assumed every rainstorm is one, it must be weird …)

padjo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is thunder in Ireland, it’s just rarer than in much of the US. I’d imagine it’s due to the prevailing weather patterns.

xeromal 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm from Georgia where summer thunderstorms are extremely common and we had ones that were so explosive that candles would vibrate off the fireplace mantle. I moved to SoCal and i'm always amused when a small storm comes by once a year and people freak out.

I miss those storms man. Nothing like sitting on the porch and watching them roll through

kstrauser 3 hours ago | parent [-]

As we called it in Missouri: good sleeping weather.

I can nap through a tornado, j tell you.

rbanffy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Now hear this: we have almost no mosquitoes. Sometimes I joke I killed one and drove them back into extinction.

rbanffy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I grew up in São Paulo, Brazil. The thunderstorms there are GLORIOUS!

xeromal 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same here hoss. Rain on a tin roof is unmatched.

kstrauser 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That would put me into a coma.

basisword 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is. "In 2024, Ireland recorded almost 3,400 cloud-to-ground lightning flashes (lightning strikes), marking a moderately stormy year, but well below the exceptional year of 2023, which set a record with more than 9,000 cloud-to-ground lightning flashes detected."[1]

[1] https://www.meteorage.com/thunderstorm-report/ireland-lightn...

rbanffy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's 10 per day for the whole of Ireland. Ireland isn't small enough people would see them that regularly.

subharmonicon 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Second strongest I remember in my 16 years here, with the 2014 Napa Quake being notably more shaking.

ghaff 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I was in SF on a trip at the time and I got woken only by a few friends texting me to check that I was OK.

SllX 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I usually don’t wake up to these but this one jolted me awake. I wish I had slept through this one though.

haunter 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

/r/bayarea thread already has hundreds of comments

https://old.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/1nnia94/earthquake...

sidcool 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Seems like a minor earthquake. Does it deserve top of HN?

rbanffy 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would assume someone new to CA would find it concerning.

It's fun to think about it - some Japanese people would move to CA just because of the more stable geology.

roenxi 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The U.S. Geological Survey's most recent forecast, known as UCERF3 (Uniform California Earthquake Rupture Forecast 3), released in November 2013, estimated that an earthquake of magnitude 6.7 M or greater (i.e. equal to or greater than the 1994 Northridge earthquake) occurs about once every 6.7 years statewide. The same report also estimated there is a 7% probability that an earthquake of magnitude 8.0 or greater will occur in the next 30 years somewhere along the San Andreas Fault.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andreas_Fault#The_next_%22...

I question their research skills. I would avoid California if geology was my main motivator.

kijin 6 hours ago | parent [-]

There is an 80% probability that an earthquake of magnitude 8-9 will occur in the Nankai trough (massive subduction zone along the Pacific coast of Japan) in the next 30 years. Yes, you read that correctly. Eighty percent. It's almost a certainty.

San Andreas sounds like nothing by comparison, especially since it doesn't pose as much of a tsunami risk.

dredmorbius 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's also worth noting that a mag 8 is about the maximum expected from the San Andreas fault, a strike-slip fault, and most quakes come in well under that. The two largest quakes I'm aware of, the 1906 San Francisco and 1857 Fort Tejon quakes, were mag 7.8 and 7.9 respectively.

Significant damage can be experienced starting at about mag 6, though that tends to be pretty specific (individual structures, often pre-dating earthquake codes, and locations on poorly-suited terrain such as riverbottoms, reclaimed wetlands, or sand). Widespread general damage would only be experienced with larger quakes (mag 7--8).

Japan has a significantly higher risk of mag 8--9 quakes. The 2011 Tōhoku quake was a magnitude 9, which is 100 times more powerful than a mag 7, and over 100,000 times more powerful than this morning's temblor in Berkeley. Japanese faults include subduction zones and considerable tsunami risk.

Similar risks exist between the California-Oregon border through to British Columbia on the Cascadia Subduction Zone, and could similarly product a mag 9 event.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCERF3>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_subduction_zone>

jandrewrogers 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> a magnitude 9, which is 100 times more powerful than a mag 7

That is actually 1,000x more powerful. For historical reasons, the magnitude scale is 10^1.5 between whole numbers.

kijin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Cascadia earthquake in January 1700 produced a tsunami that traveled all the way across the ocean and hit Japan with 16-foot waves. That's what mag 9 looks like.

saltcured 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Similarly, the Boxing Day tsunami in 2004 was from a 9.1 magnitude quake in Indonesia.

bamboozled 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would Japanese people move to CA for the more stable geology ?

ChrisMarshallNY 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Japan is one of the most seismically-active areas in the world.

As a result, [modern] Japanese construction is incredibly resilient.

I've never been in Tokyo, during a strong quake, but I'm told the skyscrapers wave around like drunken dancers.

0manrho 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a point of comparison to illustrate the differences. CA is seismically active, but not to the degree of Japan. Reading any further into it than that was clearly not the intent and would be foolish.

notmyjob 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because there are no longer any other good reasons to move here.

0manrho 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is a minor earthquake, especially for a region with generally high standards and tolerances for actual earthquakes. It's enough to certainly notice (if you're awake) and make people look at each other like "Whoa, neat" but that should be the start and end of it.

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ChipopLeMoral 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The votes seem to suggest it

jquery 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s the strongest shake the area has felt in a decade. I think it’s just the community having a bit of fun.

AlecSchueler 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's notable for people in California where a lot of HN users are based.

sethammons 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The point is it is not notable. It is business as usual. These happen multiple times a year. It is nearly as notable as a rainy day in LA in the summer.

xeromal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you mean Lousiana because rains come in the winter here in socal. lol. A summer rain would be notable.

AlecSchueler 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I must have been confused by all of the people in this thread publicly noting it and explaining how they perceived it.

sethammons 5 hours ago | parent [-]

we are talking about relative notability. Seeing an apple or orange for the first time is notable to that person. But not to the others living in an orchard.

This quake is a tad more notable than rain in LA in the summer. In other words, not very notable. That doesn't make it zero, just very low.

kstrauser 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Shaking like this does not happen multiple times per year, at least in the Bay Area. Last night’s was the strongest quake I’ve experienced since moving here.

TinkersW 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No it isn't, I grew up in NorCal with earthquakes, a 4.6 is a complete nothing burger, you shrug and continue about your day.

BoredPositron 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's gone sooner if you don't interact with the thread...

tripplyons 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would take this time to set up earthquake alerts on your phone using an app like MyShake if you live in an area where earthquakes happen.

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