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em-bee 8 hours ago

seeding is uploading after you are done downloading.

but you are already uploading while you are still downloading. and that can't be turned off. if seeding scares someone, then uploading should scare them too. so they are right, because they are required to upload.

ProtoAES256 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you are in the scene long enough, you should have known that there are some uncooperative clients that always send 0% (Xunlei being one of the more notorious example with their VIP schemes, and later on they would straight up spoof their client string when people started blocking them). Being a leecher nowadays is almost a norm for a lot of users, and I don't blame them since they are afraid of consequences in a more regulated jurisdiction. But a must seed when leech requirement? Hoho no, that's more like a suggestion.

sureglymop 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it should be up to the client to decide whether they want to seed. As another commenter mentioned, it could be for legal reasons. Perhaps downloading in that jurisdiction is legal but uploading is not. Perhaps their upload traffic is more expensive.

Now, as a seeder, you may still be interested in those clients being able to download and reach whatever information you are seeding.

In the same vein, as a seeder, you may just not serve those clients. That's kind of the beauty of it. I understand that there may be some old school/cultural "code of conduct" but really this is not a problem with a behavioral but instead with a technical solution that happens to be already built-in.

em-bee 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think it should be up to the client to decide whether they want to seed

well, yes and no. legal issues aside (think about using bittorrent only for legal stuff), the whole point of bittorrent is that it works best if everyone uploads.

actually, allowing clients to disable uploading is almost an acknowledgement that illegal uses should be supported, because there are few reasons why legal uses should need to disable uploading.

and as an uploader i also don't want others not to upload. so while disabling upload is technically possible, it is also reasonable and not unlikely that connections from such clients could be rejected.

maeln 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but you are already uploading while you are still downloading. and that can't be turned off

Almost every client let you set uploading limit, which you can set at 0. The only thing that generate upload bp usage that cannot be deactivated would be protocol stuff (but you can deactivate part of bt like using the DHT).

foobarbecue 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some BitTorrent clients make it easier to set than others, but if it's a healthy torrent I often limit upload rate to so slow that it doesn't transfer anything up. Ratio is 0.00 and I still get 100s of mb/s.

alternatetwo 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Transmission allows turning this off by setting upload to 0. It's simply a client setting, but most clients don't offer it.