> Russia won.

Russia is neither the primary instigator nor benefactor of our dysfunction, and wishes it had 1/100th the influence over our elections that Israel does. This narrative never made any sense to me.

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cookiengineer 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You should research what the DOGE script kiddies did before they joined the government. Because that wasn't a coincidence.

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Telaneo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...

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MangoToupe 3 days ago | parent [-]

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind...

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this2shallPass 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

These countries are the top 10 countries by lobbying dollars from 2016 - 2024:

Country Total Spending

1. China $460,738,925

2. Japan $436,459,337

3. Liberia $353,239,848

4. South Korea $325,835,687

5. Saudi Arabia $311,450,797

6. Marshall Islands $285,094,040

7. Qatar $257,773,194

8. United Arab Emirates $242,674,892

9. Bahamas $242,481,453

https://www.opensecrets.org/fara

Some have spent 2x more money than Israel. Israel is 10th. I haven't heard anybody around me mention Liberia or the Marshall Islands, maybe a handful of times in my life.

These are the top 10 Foreign Principals from 2016 - 2024.

Foreign Principal Total Spending

1. Government of Liberia $350,486,671

2. Government of the Marshall Islands $283,901,646

3. Government of China $277,692,350

4. Japan External Trade Organization $277,638,402

5. Government of Saudi Arabia $238,415,218

6. Government of Bermuda $192,046,623

7. Barzan Holdings $155,775,778

8. ANO TV-Novosti $147,069,172

9. Government of the Bahamas $136,148,426

10 Government of Ireland $132,165,695

No Israeli principal in the top 10. It's obfuscated but Russia is in there (ANO TV-Novosti) and Qatar (Barzan Holdings).

Also, in the link you shared of "Industries", Israel is 7th in single issue. Some of the issues 1-6 have 10x levels of money spent. I wish it were broken down even more. I'm most interested in what makes up "miscellaneous issues".

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q

	▲	MangoToupe 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Sure, maybe you're right, and the foreign countries purchasing our politicians is a much larger problem than just the one that Israel presents (though, I'm rather skeptical in terms of actual impact on foreign policy and on who gets elected in our country). I still don't think Russia deserves much mention in terms of election interference; they gotta step up their game if they want to compete.

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shlant 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

do you think these are comparable? are you equating lobbying to the infiltration of government systems or coordinated efforts by Russian assets inside a campaign team to influence elections?

	▲	MangoToupe 3 days ago \| parent [-]
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notmyjob 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Consider how many of our politicians and administration officials have Russian heritage, on both sides of the isle, and it starts to make more sense. For that reason one should be careful spreading anti-Russianism on the net given the more aggressive policing our Russian overlords anre adopting over hate speech.