> Why Is Venus Hell and Earth an Eden?

Because humans evolved on Earth and not on Venus.

If we evolved on Venus then it would be our Eden.

> They’ve been pushing their model Earth to its extremes

Is your model anywhere good enough to be able to get useful outcomes from this process? I would suspect not. I mean, we know this planet's state is partially owed to the many unique comet impacts that have occurred during it's life, are you modelling those?

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JumpCrisscross 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> If we evolved on Venus then it would be our Eden

I don't think we can just anthropic principle this one away. We couldn't have evolved on Venus. It's valid to ask whether any complex life could.

> Is your model anywhere good enough to be able to get useful outcomes from this process? I would suspect not

Got it, reflexive blanket dismissal comment.

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themafia 3 days ago | parent [-]

> It's valid to ask whether any complex life could.

That's obviously the point I was making.

> Got it, reflexive blanket dismissal comment.

No, I said my _suspicion_ is that you cannot, and you're being a hypocrite.

	▲	jibal 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> That's obviously the point I was making. No, it obviously wasn't.
	▲	JumpCrisscross 3 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> That's obviously the point I was making It obviously isn't given you followed up with "if we evolved on Venus." > I said my _suspicion_ is that you cannot Which you followed up by dismissing the work for suspecting it did not consider [insert random armchair complication]. > you're being a hypocrite Nope. I actually read and thought about your comment, initially in good faith.
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arp242 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are real limits to what life can be supported due to basic chemistry/laws of physics. e.g. "Venus is so hot — hot enough to melt lead — that the acid rain evaporates as it’s falling." That life evolved on Earth and not Venus is not an accident.

Merely "because humans evolved on Earth and not on Venus" is just a dismissive contrarian take that says absolutely nothing of any value what-so-ever.

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jibal 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Because humans evolved on Earth and not on Venus.

> If we evolved on Venus then it would be our Eden

That's about the connotations of the words "Hell" and "Eden", not about the facts being discussed.

And why did humans evolve on Earth but not Venus? In fact no life evolved on Venus that we know of.

	▲	glenstein 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I blame Jurassic Park for popularizing the adage "life finds a way". It's good so far as it goes as a celebration of the miraculous creativity of life. But taken to the extreme it means failing to respect pretty powerful physical limits that are devastating to any form of organic chemistry.