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jandrewrogers 3 days ago

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory.

In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions.

I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation that many people do seem to break them frequently isn't an explanation. I can't wrap my head around the degree of clumsiness and carelessness that would seem to be required to explain this phenomenon.

DrammBA 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. > I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions.

Have you considered that for other people phones are a significant financial investment?

jandrewrogers 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

That isn't explanatory. If they cared about the financial investment then they wouldn't be regularly smashing their phones in the first place because it is clearly possible to do without a case. It is a side effect of behavior.

rTX5CMRXIfFG 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Not always. Sometimes pockets aren’t deep enough, sometimes chairs are too low so that your pockets are angled downwards. As with anything in life it’s rather foolish to think you can control everything, so you add preventative measures on top of active avoidance.

nucleogenesis 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Shit happens. Putting a case on my phone improves the likelihood that my $1200 phone doesn’t shatter. People have kids, animals, and make silly little mistakes that can have massively expensive consequences.

I’m not regularly smashing my phone or especially careless with it, but in a year I’ve seen it take a dozen or so drops and I’m glad it had a case on it when it did.

macintux 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Or losing access to your phone for a day or two can range from a mild inconvenience to job–threatening.

kshacker 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Like some other people said, I drop my phones weekly. Some on wood, some on carpet, and some on concrete. It is so bad that as I have my latest phone for 2 years, I have run across 2 cases, and about to need a 3rd one or go for an upgrade (and buy a new case anyways). I have shattered the glass / screen once but that was a long time back. Yes I am clumsy and I would call myself that even before someone else told me so.

arvinsim 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am baffled why people wouldn't put a case on their phones?

Thickness? There are a lot of thin cases that will do the job.

Heavy? Better to invest more on arm exercises if that weight is dealbreaker

Status symbol to show off? There are better things to buy if you are in that sort of thing.

pdabbadabba 2 days ago | parent [-]

The phone looks much nicer without a case. And in my 10+ ceaseless years, I’ve only damaged my phone once (and, in that case, I doubt that a thin silicone case would have saved me). And in that one case, I just needed to replace the front glass. Cost about $40 IIRC.

So why would I use a case?

Your mileage may vary, though, if you have kids, are a woman (fewer/shallower pockets), etc.

mft_ 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The mistake you’re making is extrapolating your own situation and experience to the rest of the world.

Just because you’ve never damaged a mobile phone, doesn’t mean that no-one else has. Mistakes happen, and modern mobile phones are fragile and dense.

garbagewoman 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What a trivial thing to be “eternally baffled” by

jandrewrogers 3 days ago | parent [-]

It is likely a textbook case of the paradox seen in many domains where humans take extra safety precautions as a license to be reckless such that it creates more damage than if the extra safety precautions were never taken.

How do you explain the contradiction of people who go through the pretense of protecting their phone then engaging in behavior that somehow smashes it regularly in a way that demonstrably cannot be explained by normal usage? There is an entire population of no-case-enjoyers who don't smash their phones despite the lack of extra protection.

fgbarben 3 days ago | parent [-]

How is the average reader to know whether you're an entirely average person or an eight-sigma indoors dweller who never goes hiking, never asks another person to take a photo of you, never does any sports...

artursapek 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For a lot of people, a phone is a major purchase. Why not throw a $30 case on to protect the $1000 device?

jandrewrogers 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

That is not relevant to the question of how people constantly break something that isn't particularly breakable. If they cared about the cost of the phone, I would expect them to demonstrate slightly less wanton disregard for it such that they routinely smash it. I also know plenty of people that regularly break their phones even with a case.

At some point, you have to conclude people don't actually care if they smash their phone based on how frequently they do it.

As I said, it's baffling.

randerson 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You must have excellent coordination. Others, like me, are clumsy. Its certainly not wanton disregard that results in me dropping my phone. It just feels like it slides out of my hands sometimes.

rkomorn 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'd have to live my life in an unsustainable state of vigilance and care to not drop things.

Heck, even when I think I'm being careful (eg carrying a very full mug or glass), I'm liable to focus on what I'm doing to the point of messing it all up due to lack of awareness (eg keeping my glass nice and still until I bump my elbow into the door frame and spill some of my drink).

It also does not seem to be improving wit age.

jandrewrogers 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I drop my phone occasionally. I don't think there is much evidence that I am uniquely non-clumsy. Phones aren't that fragile, particularly these days.

rootusrootus 3 days ago | parent [-]

Some of it may be differences in skin. I have fairly dry skin and an aluminum phone is slippery as hell. I put mine in a case not for protection from drops - I almost never drop it - but to prevent those drops by giving me a little grip. YMMV

tw04 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s really not. I one time had a phone fall out of my pocket while getting out of my truck, and literally hit my foot on its way down which propelled it face up into the bottom of my front tire which shattered the screen. There was absolutely nothing I could do to stop it, and there’s no reason I’d have ever thought it’d just fall out. I probably got out of that truck in the exact same way for 2 years and the phone never fell out.

The fact you’re baffled that accidents happen makes me question if you’re trolling or literally live in a bubble.

late2part 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Saying it's baffling is not explanatory. And whilst you say a lot you have failed to cursorsily discuss mitigating effects of insurance.

artursapek 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah I guess not everyone is perfect like you lmfao

tshaddox 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If I was going to cover up my phone with a plastic case, I wouldn’t buy a $1,000 device when most of that money is spent on high quality industrial design and appearance.

theshackleford 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Having bought from both sides of the aisle, I couldnt give two shits about the industrial design or appearance. As long as the screen works, and all the hardware and software inside does its job, it could be covered in giant dongs for all I care.

arvinsim 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

iPhones are expensive devices. You don't have a choice if you are in the Apple ecosystem.

pxc 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It depends on where you drop it. Dropping phones on pavement is easy mode. One mistake over coarse gravel and you're pretty fucked even without much height.

gherkinnn 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Gravel absorbs more energy than pavement, I don't see how it is worse.

pxc a day ago | parent [-]

You're tangled up in misapplied abstractions. Stop doing math and jump on gravel in bare feet.

biztos 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What is it about coarse gravel that makes it a phone killer? Is it because there are more edges?

ninju 2 days ago | parent [-]

Scratches

tpm 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For some time I was like you. But then things happened, for example I put the phone on an outdoor restaurant table, someone kicked the table, phone fell down onto the metal base of the table, screen cracked. There isn't really anything I could do to save it short of not carrying it around, or using a case.

fuzzfactor 2 days ago | parent [-]

>There isn't really anything I could do to save it short of not carrying it around,

That's my go-to right there.

tpm 2 days ago | parent [-]

Good for you. How do you order a taxi without a phone?

fuzzfactor 2 days ago | parent [-]

Never thought of that, last time I used a taxi it was a dial phone so it has never been a consideration for decades.

I'm old enough to where I won't be forgetting any time soon how excellent things can be without any phone at all, much less cellular. Land lines were usually too expensive for students but people weren't crying about doing without.

I do bring the flatphone with me regularly, just not most of the time, and only when I have a strong anticipation of wanting or even needing it.

In a restaurant I didn't even like pagers when they were a thing.

Pagers might have been anti-social with their piercing interruptions, but least they weren't as annoying to carry around as an oversized internet-connected device.

And definitely not as anti-social as a phone having Facebook with a human being strung along attached by the finger.

tpm 2 days ago | parent [-]

I grew up without mobile phones. Now in 2025 it's just much more practical to carry the phone with me. On the bike I use it as a bike computer and navigation, plus it's great to have for emergencies. When out in the town, any town, it's again a navigation, I can pay parking, public transport or call a taxi. And much much more. Nobody forces me to use social networks, so I don't, and I completely agree with you it sucks to see people sit in restaurants and spend most of the time looking at their phones.

golem14 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

2 unconventional reasons:

- hide the fact that you have the latest and greatest - use it to tuck in receipts or parking tickets between phone and case :)

a downside with the iphone is that some buttons, esp the camera button, are harder to use

lovich 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one.

If you’re going to include the pre smart phone era of mobile phones in the discussion, it would be nice to let people know

fuzzfactor 2 days ago | parent [-]

Keep in mind that the Sony-Ericsson smartphones from 25 years ago did not fail to advance as time marched on.

By the time the iPhone was revealed the Sonys at the time made Apples look pretty dumb by comparison.

lovich a day ago | parent [-]

Ah, yes I do think the older generation of phones were more durable. My point was that the technology had a significant change and there's at least 2 different generations of products called "phones" in that time period and comparing them against each other on durability is not a reasonable argument

fuzzfactor 17 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not a matter of durability, it's basic "smartness".

Sony had regular ordinary quick-change batteries, at least their own Memory Sticks for removable storage before they ended up settling for SD cards, plus the essential USB connection in addition to bluetooth to connect you to your PC to at least use the PC OS to handle the file management of the phone.

And there was always the PC software suite for Sony owners so you could get your PC online before there were hotspots, and you could do texting and make calls from the PC, update the phone, install phone apps from the PC, etc. You could consider the phone a peripheral of the PC, or the PC a peripheral of the phone. And integration was supposed to continue getting better from there.

Like a normal smartphone way before the iPhone appeared, which the iPhone had none of the established hallmarks of smartness, except that it was on the internet. Plus it was locked down in annoying ways never before seen.

Jobs was pretty intense with his reality distortion efforts, he got people to believe until this day that smartphones didn't exist until he had success with it. What it really was was that established smartphones were about $500 and almost nobody was going to pay that so naturally they were not flying off the shelf any more than they ever had been. It was actually widely considered pretty stupid to pay that much for a phone at the time unless you were deeply in need of those connected features.

He convinced enough people that phones had never been so "smart" since there were so few having any experience with them. But why stop there? While he was at it he got his fans to pay almost $1000 too.