| ▲ | rr808 3 days ago |
| Is there a way to slow down these high power chargers? Sometimes I want a fast charge but mostly I want slow to getting hot. I realize overnight charging phones are smart enough to do this but otherwise seems to be impossible without having two different chargers. |
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| ▲ | ssl-3 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| The charging smarts are always in the phone, and always have been. Just because a USB port has 15 or 30 or a gazillion Watts available doesn't mean that the phone is required to consume that much. Similarly, the wall outlets in your house may be able to supply a couple of thousand Watts -- but that doesn't mean that a device plugged in is required to use all of that. And batteries can charge pretty fast these days. Modern pocket supercomputers keep track of battery temperature to keep things within defined limits during charging. AFAIK the real problem, longevity-wise, for these batteries in normal use is the time spent at extremes of charge (<20% or >80%, ish). That all said: Sure, some phones have options. My Samsung phone does some man-behind-the-curtain tricks to attempt to make it reach 100% just before it predicts that I'll unplug it (eg, when I wake up). The idea is to maximize the charge on the phone while also keeping it at 100% SoC for as little time as practical. This probably works great for people with regular schedules (which is to say: people who are not like me). This phone also lets me explicitly disable various fast-charge modes. I think there's at least two different modes that I can turn off (but I leave them all turned on). And there's also a mode that limits the maximum charge to 85%, to promote long-term battery health. I have this mode engage automatically when using wireless charging, which is something I only do with the wireless charging cradle on my car's dashboard. (I do want the phone to be powered while I drive, but I don't normally need anything to work extra-hard to cram that last 15% into the battery when I'm on a long drive. It's a good balance, for me.) |
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| ▲ | BadBadJellyBean 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's up to the device. If I have an alarm for the morning my pixel 7 slow charges over the night so that it's full when the alarm goes off. Modern charging standards give all the control to the client device. |
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| ▲ | tialaramex 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Is that with a dock, or without? My Pixel showed me a menu of choices for how to behave when first shown its wireless charging dock (charge to full ASAP, assume we'll need to be charged by alarm time, and some others) but I agree that a device can choose to do this from any power source, I don't feel like it gave the same choice when plugged in to a wall, maybe I'm wrong or it's in a menu somewhere. |
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| ▲ | ianburrell 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You could convert from USB-C to USB-A and back. MicroUSB adapters are popular to chain for devices that only charge on USB-A. There are also adapters just force legacy USB charging for same problem devices. Then your phone will only charge at 12W. |
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| ▲ | Moto7451 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On newer MacBooks you can turn on a similar battery protection mechanism to the phones. I believe vs the phones the smaller chargers won’t stress these cells since they’re a lot larger. 20-40W into a 15Wh battery is more stress than the same through a 52Wh (MBA) battery. A 1C charging rate is healthy. |
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| ▲ | Filligree 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I've always wondered if lower rates are a problem. Off-topic, but the best my solar panels can do is 0.1C into the battery bank. | | |
| ▲ | Moto7451 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I know there’s certainly an efficiency tradeoff when AC to DC conversion is involved. For my car the sweet spot for comfort is between 3kW and 6kW as below 3 a substantial percentage (a few hundred watts) is wasted by the inverter and above 6kW the cooling system has to run (a few hundred more watts). For laptops and phones maybe this still holds true at .1C. Some quick napkin math puts that at 5W and at least with PC power supplies they need a bit of load to hit their 80%+ efficiency rating. I imagine it’s a bit different with small bricks? More to your question the DIY solar community is torn between the benefits of float voltage which is a pretty low charging rate. I bought some cells (not for my house) and on the data sheet they were fine with .1C. They were more concerned with temperature and very high C rates hurting the lifespan. Since I was going to AC couple I was more worried about total system efficiency so similarly staying under a rate that heats the battery up and above the idle power of the inverter was my goal. |
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| ▲ | analog31 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The device being charged controls the charging current. Typically for smaller gadgets, a single resistor connected to the charge controller IC sets the current. Bigger things like laptops may be more sophisticated. |
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| ▲ | 0_____0 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Re: more sophisticated USB-PD now has a standard for having sink devices request a particular current from the charger, meaning that you could actually remove a converter from the sink device side, because with a programmable source, the current limiting happens on the power supply side. Cool stuff especially for small electronics like wearables. Generally though if you want to charge with USB-PD and accept all kinds of chargers, the sink device will have to have its own charge control PMIC. All this negotiation happens over a side band via the "CC" pins on the USB-C connector. | | |
| ▲ | lxgr 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | That's an optional USB-PD feature, though (called PPS). Devices that support it can potentially charge more efficiently (and by extension more quickly, if they're limited by heat dissipation), but they can't rely on any USB-PD adapter supporting it. It's also different from AVS (which Apple's adapter seems to support), which allows controlling the voltage in finer steps, but not limiting the current in the same way that PPS does. | |
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| ▲ | tgsovlerkhgsel 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I use USB-A ports on a dumb charger, but most likely, it'd be best for the battery to use a charger with PPS support (programmable power supply - the device can request finely tuned voltages, reducing losses and thus heat inside the device). |
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| ▲ | appreciatorBus 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I still keep a few 5 watt chargers around and use them for overnight charging whenever possible. I reserve the use of high power chargers for the odd occasion when I need the speed. |
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| ▲ | joecool1029 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Probably wearing your batteries out more. Bunch of studies done have found fast charging causes no additional degradation. Unless you hold the charge below 90% or something letting them dwell at 100% for hours is worse. | | |
| ▲ | appreciatorBus 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes I’m aware of the studies re: fast charging , and the importance of avoiding dwelling at high charge levels :) If a device charged overnight does not support limiting charging to 80%, a 5W charger means the device spends less time between 80% and 100% versus a higher wattage charger. For a newer device that does support limited charging to 80%, I agree that there’s probably a little difference in battery aging between different speed chargers, however for overnight charging, where I really don’t care how long it takes to charge, I would still go with the lower power. | |
| ▲ | Barbing 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why wearing out more? I’d been planning on pulling out an old charger to slow charge overnight. | | |
| ▲ | red369 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I suppose the previous comment was likely saying more compared to not charging overnight, and fast charging in the morning. I would also have guessed the slow charging was better, but that is an uninformed opinion. I'd be quite interested in what people think. An extra dilemma - often if I'm around the house or the office all day, I'll just plug in my phone every time I see it reach about 70%, and unplug when it reaches 80% (this is easier to spot if you have low-power mode on for an iPhone because the screen lights up at 80% when low-power mode is turned off). Is it worse to do that 2 or 3 times, compared to just charging to 100% and leaving it on the charger all day. Is being at 100% all day, but not using any (fractions of) charge cycles, worse than doing a few shallow discharges? Of course, I don't think it really matters, but it's the kind of thing that I wonder and then do when I remember. | | |
| ▲ | appreciatorBus 2 days ago | parent [-] | | To be clear, I also don’t think it really matters. :) That said, my assumption is that most people want to charge overnight precisely because they do not want to have to remember to do a fast charge in the morning. Maybe that’s just me tho. Assuming you want to charge overnight, I totally agree that spending less time between 80% and 100% is good, and software that either prevents this or limits it is good. But whether you have such a device or not, for overnight charging a lower power charger seems prudent. |
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| ▲ | gambiting 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On my Samsung S24 Ultra I have a routine set up where it automatically disables fast charging during the night, but enables it again during the day - the logic being that I don't mind if the phone charges slowly while I sleep, but if I plug it in during the day then I probably want the quickest top-up possible. |
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| ▲ | makeitdouble 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you really want to, you can plug a USB tester (e.g. AVHzY) between your charger and device and manually force the charging mode. |
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| ▲ | Lammy 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is why I'm glad my phone has a cooling fan that can be set to come on during fast charging https://i.imgur.com/05lhMJA.jpeg |
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| ▲ | Rebelgecko 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If you buy a crappy one it'll thermal throttle itself after a few minutes |