That's not what's happening though.

Account managers and sales engineers are the ones I’ve seen laid off. They seem to have kept the licensing specialists they need on calls because nobody understands the convoluted mess they’ve created. So, losing the people we were working with, on top of all the issues with the products themselves, it made going to OpenShift that much easier.

I mean Microsoft laid off 5% of the developers and 30% of the product managers in my org, so they think that they don't need Windows development.