> There is a bizarre reverence and worship for China I have observed with some Americans.

No. There isn't. It's just that we've gotten sick of the bullshit and lies from the anti-china propagandists like you.

> Yes, you can build things faster and have smooth 5% YoY growth if you don’t have property rights and manipulate the statistics

If they can build things faster, what need is there to manipulate the statistics? If the chinese don't have property rights, then how come they own so much property?

When you and your kind spout such nonsense over and over again, people tend to get sick of it.

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tuatoru 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"China" isn't "China". Like everywhere else, there's a maze of conflictiong incentives. The CCP measures regional governments on their stats. Gaming there. Regional governments measure administrative areas, ditto. More gaming. No stats can be trusted in a society that does not prize allegiance to the truth above all else.

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theturtletalks 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Let’s say it how it is, this is the cost of freedom. Yes, China can build more quickly and has advanced more technologically, but it came at the cost of freedom. The degree of freedom is not something I’m fit to argue.

Now, there are those they believe the difference in freedom is worth that technological advancement. I’m not so sure.

COVID was a great example of this. China was able to slow the virus spreading faster than the US since they were literally locking people into their homes. In the US, this didn’t happen because of the rights we have.

	▲	ipaddr an hour ago \| parent [-]
		China's system created the virus, allowed the virus to spread rapidly . Then arrested people warning about it. Locked people in blocks causing more deaths, made up stats and censored the press. Plus their vaccine didn't work. I wouldn't call them more technology advanced. Good at controlling people and information but bad at outcomes and process.

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hearsathought 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> No stats can be trusted in a society that does not prize allegiance to the truth above all else.

What society, government or political entity prizes allegiance to truth above all else?

Truly you win the prize of the dumbest anti-china comment.

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Our_Benefactors 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> If they can build things faster, what need is there to manipulate the statistics?

A lot to unpack here. You completely blipped over the part about “no property rights” which is pretty clear when you look at, for example, how their rail construction projects go. Choochoo, rail is coming through, time to move this village, no eminent domain payments necessary.

> If the chinese don't have property rights, then how come they own so much property?

If ownership of a half-finished concrete shell by a bankrupt construction firm on the 33rd floor is counted as “owning property”, then the statistics will look pretty good.

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platinumrad 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Where did you get the idea that they don't make eminent domain payments?

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hearsathought 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You completely blipped over the part about “no property rights” which is pretty clear when you look at, for example, how their rail construction projects go. Choochoo, rail is coming through, time to move this village

Better than exterminating the natives to build railroads? Using your logic we don't have property rights in the US either.

> no eminent domain payments necessary.

Doesn't explain nail houses though.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/asia/gallery/china-nail-house...

> If ownership of a half-finished concrete shell by a bankrupt construction firm on the 33rd floor is counted as “owning property”, then the statistics will look pretty good.

Yes. 1.4 billion people live in half-finished concrete shells.

Come up with something better. You guys are getting boring repeating the same nonsense over and over again.

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ipaddr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

China has the same property rights as America because the US built railroads over a hundred years ago and had wars with natives.

What property rights are you expecting America to grant non citizens who never build anything?

You lost the debate awhile back. I wonder when you will realize it.

	▲	skinnymuch 20 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		“You lost the debate a while back”. If you are downvoted for political stuff especially when it relates to non-western things, that’s a great indicator you didn’t lose any discussion.

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skinnymuch 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Ghost cities have been shown as western made up cope.

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China is not individualist in a selfish way like the west. Collectivism is a good concept.

Thank god their property rights are not barbaric like the west.