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foobarchu 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This doesn't work if the entire market has converged, which it has. It's very similar to telling people who don't want a smart TV to "just buy something else", because that limits you to used options.

Used is great, but it means you aren't participating in the market and manufacturers will not account for you. In other words, you literally cannot "vote with your wallet". This is coincidentally also a big reason why monopolies and duopolies are bad.

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crazygringo 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You know, seatbelts were also once optional, and something like less than 10% of people got them with their cars.

When it comes to safety regulations, it's definitely not "if you don't like it don't buy it".

Also, if you're distracted and get in a crash, you're not the only one who dies. It's your passengers and the people in the car you collide with that might die as well.

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II2II 13 hours ago | parent [-]

> It's your passengers and the people in the car you collide with that might die as well.

The people within automobiles are the people who I am least concerned about since they are encased by a machine that is engineered to ensure their safety. It's people outside of vehicles I'm most concerned about. Their only protection is their own wits.

	▲	serial_dev 12 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> machine that is engineered to ensure their safety They are engineered for safety but they are not bulletproof. People die in car accidents every day. I’d prefer not to lose someone I love because the driver behind me didn’t see we had to slow down because they were typing into their Maps app or they needed to use touch screens to change their AC settings.
	▲	necovek 12 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Your fear seems to be unfounded if we can extrapolate data for Turkey: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-drivers-pa... 15k drivers and passengers dead for 3k pedestrians; 1.3M injured drivers/passengers for 170k pedestrians. The only figure that supports your fear is that out of all injuries, 1.8% pedestrians die, whereas it's "only" 1.2% for those "encased in a machine". But absolute numbers tell a different, more important story: ratio of deaths is 1:5, and 1:7.5 for injuries (meaning, they much less likely to be in a traffic accident).

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lokar 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's not a very good argument when we very directly socialize the risks of operating motor vehicles on public roads.

Your poor judgment impacts me, so I get a say

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hamdingers 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Childish take. This isn't a matter of preference, it's a matter of life or death for every road user put at risk while you're fiddling with your touch screen.

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zeta0134 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's becoming increasingly more difficult to find cars that don't pull this nonsense, as removing physical controls (in favor of a fiddly awful touch OS) is a cost saving measure during manufacturing.

... also, whether I purchase it or not makes little difference if I am the pedestrian killed by some other driver who was sold an unsafe vehicle.

	▲	serial_dev 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Funny enough, two years ago I bought a Dacia because they still had physical buttons for everything like it 2005. It blew my mind when I was in my friends Tesla the things that can be only controlled by touch screen.