| ▲ | Lio 11 hours ago |
| This is a very bad move. Once again the goverment is putting relationships with foreign businesses ahead of domestic firms. It's just more tech we can't independantly rely on. |
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| ▲ | nickdothutton 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Once upon a time I worked for a UK firm which could have been a competitor to Palantir, in fact... if Palantir's product could be framed as "next gen" the UK firm had the "previous gen" product(s). They had existing, reliable, but old product, all the right three letter agency customers, revenues in the several 10s of millions of pounds per year back as far as the early 2000s. Zero management interest in making the next gen product or in drastically improving (rather than incrementally improving) the tech underneath. Some of my brighter colleagues were so aggrieved by this that they quit to build something themselves, some just complained and eventually got bored and quit, some are still in the rusting hulk. Part innovator's dilemma, part lack of ambition, part lack of government support, part the usual UK/Euro VC situ. All I'll say is I met Karp once, face to face, in Palantir's very early days. The UK firm didn't have a Karp. |
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| ▲ | ksec 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >Part innovator's dilemma, part lack of ambition, part lack of government support, part the usual UK/Euro VC situ. I wish I am wrong. Unfortunately agrees with you on everything. Part innovator's dilemma almost certainly happens to all companies. It is the rest of the sentence that are the problems. Ambition, Government, UK/Euro VC situ, and generally culture. Those who are Ambition moved to the US. Government, both ruling party and cvivl servant aren't interested to making anything better and I have seen this first hand. UK and Euro VC. | |
| ▲ | skruger 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | QinetiQ? |
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| ▲ | fidotron 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem is the UK tech business scene positively drips in that particular sort of expensively suited sliminess, as the entire HP Autonomy mess epitomized. Other places have this, but in the UK it's like it has killed almost the whole ecosystem. It hasn't been a country with a remote chance of producing another Arm for well over a decade, and Arm, successful though it is, is not a huge financial success. Maybe that's what using Prince Andrew as a trade representative achieved. |
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| ▲ | username332211 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Somehow, I have the nagging suspicion that the laws of parliament and it's budgets have more to do with the state of British enterprise than the appointment of a sexually-predatory prince as a trade representative. And that you are well aware of that. I also suspect that your (*) unwillingness to name the actual reasons for the loss of economic capability is the ultimate cause of what you are describing. (*) And mine, if I'm to be honest. | | |
| ▲ | fidotron 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Somehow, I have the nagging suspicion that the laws of parliament and it's budgets have more to do with the state of British enterprise than the appointment of a sexually-predatory prince as a trade representative. And that you are well aware of that. Nope. What kind of culture puts a guy like that as a trade rep? An utterly superficial one, which is what the UK is today, and that is the root problem. Liz Truss had her stopped-clock-being-right-twice-a-day moment when she asked why it was that all the kids in the country wanted to be pop stars or football players. It's almost like the effort:reward for absolutely anything else just isn't worth it. | | |
| ▲ | username332211 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | And yet, the culture of the realm is probably innocent even there. There are very sound financial reasons why nobody in that island aspires to work in any sort of science and engineering. Similarly, if you are the sort of person interested in putting their capitals to productive use (as opposed to a downright parasic extraction of rents) , the best decision you could make is to place them across the sea. Or the ocean. |
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| ▲ | gms 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's how the world works. No country produces everything. |
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| ▲ | jimbohn 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | But not everything has a killswitch or other sovereign-threatening features |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Fairly ignorant of what Palintir actually does, but my layman's understanding is that it should be a thing easy enough to replicate. Why are they uniquely positioned as they appear to be? |
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| ▲ | fph 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Palantirs are inherently evil, and they deceive those who use them. Sauron was deceived into thinking Pippin had the ring, and this led to his demise. Denethor saw what he thought was Sauron's army, and was driven to suicide. | | |
| ▲ | jwagenet 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | The palentiri aren’t inherently evil. They are mere seeing stones. Sauron’s hubris led him to believe Pippin was the hobbit carrying the ring. Denethor and Saruman were corrupted by Sauron’s influence through the palentiri. |
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| ▲ | Manuel_D 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Data ingestion and visualization. They ingest data from a variety of different sources and make it easier to correlate data that might previously have been separate. As in, workflows that might have involved analyzing one data set, writing stuff in Excel, and then looking at a different data set, and cross referencing that excel spreadsheet manually can be done much more easily in Palantir's products Here's an example of it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q8bwhAW2Mg It's hard to describe because each customer usually has some set of customization to their workflow. One palantir customer probably uses the tool in a way unrecognizable to the next customer. The other, perhaps more significant, asset Palantir has is a team that's gotten really good at interfacing with legacy systems and ingesting data into a more modern one. One thing to note is, Palantir doesn't collect any data. People so often just assume that it does. The data collection is done by the government. Palantir just builds a fancy browser for data that the government already owns. So if people are angry about data being collected, go blame your government not Palantir. | | | |
| ▲ | vid 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The way I see it is the web was supposed to transform into the Semantic Web in 2000. What that means is you can give everything an identifier and create any type of relationship, turning the entire web into a database designed for a type of reasoning. On its own this is pretty benign, and I thought it would be a Good Thing because it would engage people past pages, links, and predetermined content. I imagined it becoming interesting for most people to craft meaningful connections. I also thought it would enable people to be more usefully and grounded-ly critical of big orgs, through projects like Sunlight Foundation and eventually Wikipedia (and now Wikidata, which uses the formal Semantic Web). But the basic idea of "things" and relationships is easy to conceptualize, in fact those physical evidence boards with people and things connected by association have been around for a long time. But the formal Semantic Web tech proved too complicated, so it's only really used in areas like science and to a limited degree for SEO. However, companies like Google and Facebook saw the value and built their own "knowledge graphs," and eventually companies like Palintir started selling services built on the ability to create knowledge graphs about anything. There are a few companies that do this on a smaller scale, but Palintir has really taken off, and given (and perhaps because of) the personality of the founders and its policing/military focus, and the fact that everyone is incidentally connected one way or another, it has become a very dangerous tool because it ironically does the opposite of what these tools should do on a large scale, enables big orgs to track individuals, starting perhaps legitimately with crooks and terrorists but now expanding into every field and citizen, meaning everyone can be tracked, predicted, and managed (barring good societal rules). If it isn't stopped, it gives absolute control to whoever is on top. | |
| ▲ | tomComb 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They make trump like you. The best way to get the US state on your side these days is to send money to Oracle, Palintir, or a bitcoin address. | | | |
| ▲ | bix6 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So why hasn’t someone replicated them? They’re over 20 years old at this point. That makes them a tech dinosaur. Sophisticated systems plus powerful connections in government and industry plus so much money. That’s hard to unseat. | | |
| ▲ | throwawayq3423 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Literally everyone can do what they do. Their superpower has always been inside sales. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | So why doesn’t literally everyone else have the contracts? Their software is powerful and their FDEs make it valuable for customers. Every person in the billionaire class has high inside sales leverage. | | |
| ▲ | SXX 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Having a lot of money and having actual connections it's not the same. There a lot of modern billionaires who made their money while barely talking with anyone outside their laptop screen. Also it's take special kind of people to build right kind of slimy business structures to work with governments. It's not just about corruption though because people who choose to work for governments have completely different set of motivations vs just making money. So working with them is just harder than working with business structures with simple goal to maximize profit. |
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| ▲ | dazc 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Is there a UK-based company offering a comparable service? |
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| ▲ | tremon 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, and that is unequivocally a good thing. | | |
| ▲ | mhh__ 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Palantir mostly sell SQL joins and dashboards... | | |
| ▲ | dash2 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’ve always felt that was the bear case. The bull case may be that their secret sauce is how they get large, difficult, change-resistant organisations to accept their joins and the dashboards. | | |
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