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throwaway74354 9 hours ago

>I want a Linux phone that works

That's Jolla C2 or some Sailfish-compatible Xperia 10.

Both GNOME Shell in the phone context and Plasma Mobile are evolutionary dead ends.

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TheCraiggers 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Both GNOME Shell in the phone context and Plasma Mobile are evolutionary dead ends.

That's a hell of a hot take. Could you elaborate on why you think so?

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throwaway74354 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Phone UI paradigm isn't as easy as "Let's just scale down the Desktop/Tablet applications". In case of Sailfish OS development history, migration from clunky, but closer to Desktop, Hildon framework of Maemo 5 to purpose-built Qt applications of Maemo/MeeGo Harmattan was obvious quality boost. Same with webOS and UBports: app ecosystem starting from scratch within their corresponding "DE"s. If convergence-style cross-device applications were somewhat easily achievable, that would've happened in the early 2010s (Windows Phone / Windows RT? Ubuntu Touch getting more attention from investors?). It's the same story why Android Tablets suck and iPadOS doesn't, but in other direction.

And/or, it's a simple matter of time/money being spent on streamlining the experience. It's not like Sailfish OS is perfect (Qt6 migration is way overdue), but Jolla has already figured out lots of integration details which will become teething problems for Droidian and such. Including, but not limited to VoLTE support.

	▲	cosmic_cheese 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm not convinced that convergent UI works either. The needs of desktop and mobile just differ too greatly. That doesn't mean that the two can't be served by the same UI framework, but at minimum you need two sets of widgets and separate desktop/mobile layouts in order to not either make the desktop experience dumbed down or end up with a mobile experience that's awkward to use with touch. The padding and control size in GNOME feels completely goofy on a desktop machine for example and reduces the usability of 12"-13" laptops with how much space is eaten up by blank space.