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billy99k 11 hours ago

China has ownership in all major companies and influences all major decisions. This isn't really capitalism.

In addition to this, the economy is built on stolen intellectual property. This can only go so far.

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conception 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This assumes that the Chinese have not been skilling up during that time of stolen IP. They have been.

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bryanlarsen 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IP is only copied, not stolen. It goes both ways -- Tesla learned how to efficiently build and operate their factories from the Chinese. And as Elon always says, manufacturing is 1000x as hard as design and prototyping.

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lnsru 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tesla bought a company called Grohmann Automation in 2017, factory automation company. I am not sure what Tesla learned from Chinese…

	▲	bryanlarsen 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Tesla's first purpose built car factory was built in China using mostly local expertise. Their Berlin factory is basically a copy of their Chinese factory. Grohmann Automation was to super automate their factories, which is why the Model 3 roll out was such a disaster and which they abandoned in favour of conventional car manufacturing techniques.

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billy99k 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Using this definition, identities are only copied, and not stolen.

Learning from the Chinese is entirely different than using operatives to take the corporate secrets from lets say the biggest steel company in the world, and then driving them out of business within a few years.

If this is the world you want to live in, fine. Just don't complain when large corporations copy your work one day with no legal oprecourse.

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delusional 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> In addition to this, the economy is built on stolen intellectual property. This can only go so far.

I think it's at least a little interesting that "Intellectual property", like property in general, isn't a natural phenomenon. The very concept of property is a social construct we enforce on each other, supposedly for our shared benefit. This also means its existence has to live within the governmental system, and therefore be subject to sovereignty claims. "Intellectual Property" can therefore only be said to be "stolen" within a nation, by that nations own laws, or between nations following bilateral sovereign nation agreements.

What I'm basically saying is that I'm not sure China has agreed to uphold American style "Intellectual Property", and as such, I'm not sure you can actually claim them to have "stolen" any "Intellectual Property".

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femiagbabiaka 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I struggle to distinguish between what you’ve described as not really capitalism and the currently existing state of the U.S.

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Der_Einzige 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

All intellectual property is stolen because all ideas are related.

Similar principal to "All wars are civil wars because all men are brothers" - (That quote is from a french archbishop, not a communist)

A "bleeding heart" world that took such statements seriously would be infinitely better than what we have today. But we can't have that because book-burners, luddites and related ilk hate the fact that "information wants to be free"