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FreakLegion 4 hours ago

At least five of the traitorous eight were immigrants or children of immigrants, but do go on.

chickenzzzzu 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Why can't existing American businesses invest in these individuals while they live abroad, and then the US government can tax the profits the investors make?

Why must it be that they must live here, taking desk jobs and barista jobs from Americans? How many hundreds of thousands of Shockleys got their start working as baristas, nurses, and mechanics (yes I know they are not H1B)? Do you believe that any American who fails to compete with the entire world deserves it? Why can't I move to India and become Shockley over there?

FreakLegion an hour ago | parent [-]

Everything you mention also happens. American investors invest abroad, American companies hire abroad, increasingly Americans even leave the US to found companies abroad. This is all fine, I guess, if you want the money and the jobs and the innovation to leave the US.

What are we really arguing about, though? I don't think there's meaningful disagreement about fixing visa abuses. Disagreement about how to fix them, yes, but not about whether they need to be fixed. So assuming a world where H-1Bs work as intended and bring only the most capable people, not baristas or even low-level IT, to the US, is that still a problem for you?

Personally, I like the idea of a country where the smartest people from around the world come together and do amazing things. Contra rayiner, this is exactly how the modern tech industry was born, and it's been a driving force of the US economy for decades. It's a mystery to me how anyone who wants America to maintain its status in the world can think giving up ground here to Europe or India or China is a good idea. The second-order effects will make your life worse, not better.

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