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| ▲ | GOD_Over_Djinn 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Comparing raising your children, cooking food for your family, and maintaining the home to slavery is… quite the position.. |
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| ▲ | davkan 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s certainly hyperbolic but lack of autonomy and complete financial dependence were pretty par for the course for women back in the day. My grandma slowly squirreled away money in a shoe box over decades as she had no personal bank account and lived on what my grandpa provided while she took care of seven kids. She saw it as her lifeline. Meanwhile he got drunk every night at the yacht club. When the last of the kids were nearing college she spent that money on classes for clerical work and got a job. I could not possibly imagine being in her shoes and I can imagine why a woman would be loathe to enter into such dependence on another person, regardless of how fulfilling child rearing and house keeping may be. And the further you go back from there the worse it looks for women. | | |
| ▲ | lazystar 3 days ago | parent [-] | | 100% agreed - the lack of choice is terrible, and society is better now that women have more freedom. I think what people look back and get nostalgia for is the fact that it was possible for one adult to stay at home full time. Now its not possible; we dont have a choice, everyone must work. |
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| ▲ | red_rech 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | What about when they’re 9 years old? |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And many couples are tired of both having to go to work and outsource the childcare to third parties to be able to afford the mortgage which is high because everyone has two incomes. |
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| ▲ | johnisgood 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And what about women who love their family and kids and would like to support the family by staying at home? Come on dude, calling it slavery is fucked up. |
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| ▲ | sterlind 3 days ago | parent [-] | | or men, for that matter. no reason it has to be the woman to stay home and support the family. | | |
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| ▲ | dotancohen 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is a cultural perception that raising children and a family is being a slave. I personally find it a disgusting perception. I love my family. |
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| ▲ | ozim 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I think more people will find disgusting walking over all the abuse women had to endure you did here. earlier wife beating was „normal thing” leaving abusive partners was not possible or much harder than nowadays. Then in a lot of places in the world it still is like that. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I don't know in what culture you were raised. My culture has no history of systematic wife beating. | | |
| ▲ | ozim 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | What kind of comment is that? Do you feel superior or somehow you just make my argument not true because it didn't happen to you or anyone you know? You definitely seem to be genuine asshole and I don't care what culture you were raised in because there are definitely nicer people from that culture. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm Jewish. We hold our women in high esteem. | | |
| ▲ | root_axis 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I wouldn't characterize raising a family as slavery, I also won't debate the prevelance of domestic violence in Jewish families (those curious can google it), but pointing out that you're from a culture that represents a rounding error of the world population doesn't strengthen your argument. | |
| ▲ | ozim 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I am at the gym, can’t talk. Bro but you called. |
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| ▲ | matthewdgreen 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are you positive about this? | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Am I positive about what? That my culture does not have a history of wife beating? Yes, I am positive. | | |
| ▲ | matthewdgreen 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I have no idea what your culture is, but the entire notion that domestic violence is something to be monitored and prevented by outsiders was invented very recently in most cultures. So my assumption is that it was pretty damn widespread everywhere, no matter what our ancestors like to tell us. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | matthewdgreen 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I assume this is just garden-variety "being racist on the Internet" commentary, but in case you actually believe this: go ask ChatGPT for a list of the sections that urge murder and violence against women in any given holy text. | | |
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| ▲ | panloss125 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | tiahura 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Do you have any idea how many women hate having to work and would you rather be raising a family? |