I think it's an interesting assumption that that the queen removes her own genetics from the eggs. Normally in biology I would expect the opposite, that species remove competitors in favor of their own dna. So I think the possibility should be explored that it is builder ant's sperm that is somehow removing the dna of the queen.

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lolc 4 days ago | parent [-]

Still if the foreign DNA is beneficial in keeping the hive going, it will help spread the queen's DNA. Should some allele work against the adoption of the foreign DNA, fitness drops, and that allele would become less frequent.

Who is doing the removing at fertilization is interesting mostly in a mechanical sense. The mechanisms that worked against it are being suppressed or selected out entirely.

It sure is an interesting case that one ant species is having another species promote their males if one looks at it from a gene perspective. A very weird case of symbiosis.

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im3w1l 4 days ago | parent [-]

Here's my theory of how it may have happened. Stage 0: 5 million years ago they were the same species. Stage 1: Subspecies. Ibericus and Structor became distinct populations of the same species still capable of mating. Stage 2: Parasitism. Structur became capable of replacing Ibericus dna with their own in eggs. Stage 3: Loss of function. Because of rampant structor parasitism nearly all workers were structor. So when Ibericus lost the ability to make their own workers it was a neutral mutation.

If I understand it correctly their theory is as follows. Stage 0: 5 million years ago they were the same species. Stage 1: Subspecies. Ibericus and Structor became distinct populations of the same species still capable of mating. Stage 2. Loss of function. Ibericus lost the ability to create their own workers, but as Ibericus and Structor existed in the same places hybrid workers allowed Ibericus to survive despite this. Stage 3: Ibericus learns to clone structor males to live in places where there are no Structors naturally.

Kinda interesting that even though the end result is the same who is considered the parasite is different.

	▲	messor_ibericus a day ago \| parent [-]
		One of the author of the study here. Your scenario is very good. The reason why we believe that the second one is way more likely is because there are several other species of the Messor genus that need to hybridize to produce workers, so it's very likely that it's the ancestral state and that male cloning comes after. Note that this second scenario doesn't necessarily imply that M. structor males are not some sort of parasites. Actually, because it's detrimental to M. structor males to father only workers (they don't transmit their genes to the next generation), it's easy to imagine selection to remove DNA of the mother so they can be cloned in a fertile caste (males). That being said, maternal DNA elimination prompted by the male genome would be nearly immediately also beneficial to M. ibericus (because having M. structor males at home is good for them), so this maternal DNA removing is something that benefits to both partners, which is why it's not that difficult to imagine that it evolved and has been succesfully selected. When something benefits to both partners of any relationship, there are good chances that it will be selected at some point.