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rramadass 9 hours ago

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According to many economists, the presence of immigrant workers in the United States creates new job opportunities for native-born workers. This occurs in five ways. First, immigrant workers and native-born workers often have different skill sets, meaning that they fill different types of jobs. As a result, they complement each other in the labor market rather than competing for the exact same jobs. Second, immigrant workers spend and invest their wages in the U.S. economy, which increases consumer demand and creates new jobs. Third, businesses respond to the presence of immigrant workers and consumers by expanding their operations in the United States rather than searching for new opportunities overseas. Fourth, immigrants themselves frequently create new businesses, thereby expanding the U.S. labor market. Fifth, the new ideas and innovations developed by immigrants fuel economic growth.

Similarly, a recent study found that, between 2005 and 2018, an increase in the share of workers within a particular occupation who were H-1B visa holders was associated with a decrease in the unemployment rate within that occupation. Another recent study found that restrictions on H-1B visas (such as rising denial rates) motivate U.S.-based multinational corporations to decrease the number of jobs they offer in this country. Instead, the corporations increase employment at their existing foreign affiliates or open new foreign affiliates—particularly in India, China, and Canada. A study conducted in 2019 revealed that higher rates of successful H-1B applications were positively correlated with an increased number of patents filed and patent citations. Moreover, such startups were more inclined to secure venture capital funding and achieve successful IPOs or acquisitions.

The available data also indicate that H-1B workers do not earn low wages or drag down the wages of other workers. In 2021, the median wage of an H-1B worker was $108,000, compared to $45,760 for U.S. workers in general. Moreover, between 2003 and 2021, the median wage of H-1B workers grew by 52 percent. During the same period, the median wage of all U.S. workers increased by 39 percent. In FY 2019, 78 percent of all employers who hired H-1B workers offered wages to H-1B visa holders that were higher than what the Department of Labor had determined to be the “prevailing wage” for a particular kind of job.

zerosizedweasle 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This wouldn't be happening if the tech companies hadn't shut out so many college grads from entry level jobs. The tech industry had the power to curb h1b abuse but they didn't. This is the consequence.

ai_critic 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

An interesting take on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmY6-2idC1o

rramadass 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not True.

In the 90s, the Tech Industry in the US grew at such a pace that you simply did not have enough supply of domestic college grads. It was the H-1Bs who saved and cemented the US's dominance in the Tech Industry.

See also U.S. Economic Growth in the Information Age (2001) - https://issues.org/jorgenson/

zerosizedweasle 8 hours ago | parent [-]

We aren't in the 1990s last time I checked.

leakycap 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hey where'd I put my math co-processor?!

rramadass 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not the point. The rest of the world (specifically EU and China) has played catch-up and if the US wants to maintain its Tech dominance, you still need H-1Bs to maintain your momentum.

mgh95 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I think the combination of birth rates in China and Russia banging on the door of the EU is going to help the US more than H1Bs for the US. With current demographics, the US is slated to be more populous than China at the turn of the next century.

fakedang 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Doesn't matter if you guys shun out the immigrant population and let ignoramuses multiply, while forcing American universities to toe the federal government's line for federal funding.

In China's case, the population decrease is actually a positive for them since they are primarily an exports-driven economy. A lower population means investing into automation at an extensive degree to retain the same production levels, without the need to feed that much of a population. And if China really needs an extra labour pool, they have no qualms doing the Middle Eastern playbook and bringing in tons of workers from low-wage countries to do the dirty jobs - in fact, they already do that with Africans.

Russia is in trouble though, but given that their industries are slowly being eaten by Chinese conglomerates, they are a has-been now.

mgh95 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Ok. I think you drink the coolaid of China far too much. The problem with Chinas production has much more to do with the fact it has a substantial imbalance in consumption and production. This is what is at the root of why the involution crackdown has by in large failed to yield results (.4% contraction CPI; 2.9% PPI); countries are increasingly shutting out the state sponsored production endorsed by the CPC in favor of domestic or better balanced trade partners.

Without the large population not to perform "dirty jobs" but to participate in Chinese society to generate domestic demand, it is unlikely that China will continue to require ongoing stimulus just to keep the economic model functioning. See this (https://www.omfif.org/2025/03/china-has-just-raised-its-debt...) regarding the increase in debt held by China and its localities.

This need for "permastimulus" just to keep the economic model working is the problem: China needs to be rebalancing its economy away from production and into consumption. Unfortunately, a declining population also has declining consumption.

coolThingsFirst 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>The available data also indicate that H-1B workers do not earn low wages or drag down the wages of other workers. In 2021, the median wage of an H-1B worker was $108,000, compared to $45,760 for U.S. workers in general.

You can't compare tech salaries to general salaries. The entire thing seems disingenous.

rramadass 8 hours ago | parent [-]

H-1B is not just for "Tech" jobs; it is defined for "Specialty Occupations".

DOL's Fact Sheets - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45309962

coolThingsFirst 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It's common sense that when your immigration status is tied to your job performance you will skip out on other things in your life.

You've never been that in that position but I have been there. I was super-productive but catastrophically stressed as well. It's not a way to live life for more than 6 months.

foogazi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

wdym ? I bought a house on H1B - YOLO

rramadass 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> You've never been that in that position but I have been there.

I lived in the US for a decade-and-half transitioning from H-1B to "Green Card holder". It is another matter that i gave up all and returned back a decade ago.

yadaeno 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“Manufacturing consent” should be required reading for all Americans.

These economists expressed the correct viewpoint that benefits the capital class so their viewpoint and credentials are validated and legitimized. “Right-thinking economists” are promoted while economists that have views that dont benefit multinational corporate interest are pushed to the fringes.

This is extremely well documented and when you see it spelled out in the book you will not be able to see the world in the same way.

Lex Friedman was nobody until he published a study that self driving cars were safe while Elon musk was in the midst of legal battles for his cars killing people. Lex Friedman is a “right thinking” academic so next thing you know Elon musk is talking on his podcast calling Lex “the smartest person in the world” despite having almost no credentials.

strubbit 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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