| ▲ | mothballed 4 days ago |
| No need to check immigration status. If they're non-white and have an accent it's already a tell you can lowball them. You'd probably skip over some white europeans with solid English, but lets be real, those people can fake being a US citizen easy enough with some trivially obtained paperwork. |
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| ▲ | conartist6 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| That would be highly illegal: it'd be discrimination on the basis of race (which is protected under the law) rather than on the basis of immigration status (which is not protected). |
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| ▲ | mothballed 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | For it to be illegal you have to prove intent. The incentives ensure that it will happen with zero intent, and probably without the people doing it even realize they're doing it. It's not illegal to see someone, think of them as a 'sucker' but not even realize why, then lowball them, which is far more likely than for a person to actually consciously confront themselves they may be a racist. In any case, even if they know it's illegal, it's not so easy to enforce, the fact that people get successfully sued or jailed a small fraction of the time isn't going to be some solace. The only way to actually solve it is to remove the incentive in place, namely either the market pressure to get the best developer at the cheapest price or the vulnerability of being an immigrant. | |
| ▲ | Amezarak 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | We've all seen hiring managers that coincidentally hired only or nearly only their fellow countrymen, and nothing happens to them, even though it is highly illegal. |
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| ▲ | whatever1 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It appears that you have a strong case of discrimination. You should consider filing a lawsuit. This is precisely what HR and hiring managers at FAANG companies are instructed and trained to avoid. |
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| ▲ | mothballed 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm speaking in a hypothetical, not something I've witnessed. I doubt anyone ever witnesses it willfully happen. All that is necessary is the incentives be in place for 1) Hiring manager to have incentive to hire quality talent at the most economical price 2) Foreign talent be more desperate than domestic talent The effect is practically guaranteed even if there is exactly zero intent by the hiring manager or any conscious 'discrimination.' Incentives beget results and people may not ponder how they got there, and they often don't. Unless you change (1) or (2) all the discrimination legislation, lawsuits, and 'training' in the world isn't worth the paper it is written on. |
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| ▲ | mlrtime 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The casual racism against white people that we normalize is sick. I understand the current situation and the past, but it doesn't make it right. |
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