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cogman10 3 days ago

Could be just envy.

I'd say the clearest example would Steve Jobs vs Wozniak. They were equal partners with Woz doing far more of the work. At nearly every turn, Jobs took the opportunity to stab people in the back if it'd personally enrich him. Jobs ended up running Apple and a billionare while Woz ended up a millionaire.

Part of the reason Woz didn't end up as rich as Jobs is because when moral problems came up, he was the one willing to cut into his own wealth and finances to "make things right".

People that become billionaires do not care about making things right or fair. They care about accruing wealth.

There are examples of that everywhere. Tesla would be another. Elon became absurdly wealthy off the backs of underpaid and overworked employees. The early days of tesla/spacex he sold the idea that "you'll change the world!" to undercut the salary of his employees.

Now, these could be just specific shitty examples. There may in fact be a number of billionaires that have treated their employees fairly and given back to the system that got them there. But I'm decreasingly convinced that that is really the case.

FredPret 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> with Woz doing far more of the work

He definitely was the magic ingredient early on. But it's because of Jobs and his drive to make Apple huge that I'm typing this on a Mac.

You need line level employees who churn away at Tesla & SpaceX & Apple, but you also need the visionary maniac to force those companies into existence. Some things can only be done by large companies, and those simply don't just appear without a massive driving force.

terminalshort 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> They were equal partners with Woz doing far more of the work

What counts as "the work" and what doesn't such that Jobs did much less of it than Woz?

> People that become billionaires do not care about making things right or fair.

I don't even consider myself, or anyone else, to even be capable of making things right or fair or even knowing what would be "right" and "fair". This is not a remotely simple thing and there is not even a widely agreed upon definition of it. I see no evidence that billionaires care any more or less about this than any other person. And I fundamentally distrust anyone who claims this as a motivation. Mostly those people are just using the word "fair" as a stand in for their personal preferences as to how things should be.

> The early days of tesla/spacex he sold the idea that "you'll change the world!" to undercut the salary of his employees.

Employees in the early days of Tesla made out like bandits on their options, so I find this to be a very strange objection. It's the same tradeoff any engineer at an early stage company makes.