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rtkwe 3 days ago

Just take it for what it is as a commentary on US politics instead of trying to expand it beyond it's intended reach.

CamperBob2 3 days ago | parent [-]

What we're learning these days is that there is nothing special or interesting about US politics. We're all Turks now, having freely elected our Erdogan.

BJones12 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The trouble with politics now is that it has become a religion. You can't elect boring people anymore, because doing so would remove the ability for adherents to engage in religious fervor.

Before politics can be boring and fair, adherence to actual religion must be rebuilt to satisfy the people's need for religion, so that politics doesn't have to.

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CamperBob2 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting perspective, hadn't heard it phrased like that before. An aversion to 'boring' candidates, I can believe... but religion as the remedy? What will that religion look like, if not another Trump-like personality cult?

Mainstream Christianity gave us Trump, so it's not exactly the moral foundation it claimed to be. There are plenty of cults and factions that could potentially salvage it, but how will any of them get traction? Or are you thinking of something even further afield than that?

psd1 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I question "mainstream". I would say it's a peculiarly American blend of prosperity gospel and pick-and-choose.

America didn't invent those tenors of self-serving cant, but it is the exemplar today

This supposed Christianity was one of the bigger factors in the assassination of reality, but ultimately we have these cunts because Zuckerberg gave a platform to perennial losers.

BJones12 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Mainstream Christianity gave us Trump, so it's not exactly the moral foundation it claimed to be.

I think it's worth taking a closer look at what Trump is to the American and religious right. Some people think he's their savior, and that they approve of his actions. I don't. I think he's their champion, in the historical sense - a champion is one who fights for you. A champion is not above a king, but is useful, admired, and dear. I think the usefulness of Trump was proportional to the number of culture wars that the American Christian population was losing a decade ago, and is now winning. Some of those battles were dumb, like even AOC deleted her pronouns after the last election, but the fact that they were being fought meant that people needed someone effective to fight for them, and the most skilled fighter was Trump.

> There are plenty of ... factions that could potentially salvage it, but how will any of them get traction?

I think they need to figure out how to provide the most value possible to the population, and I think that following the teachings of Jesus is integral to this. I also think there are a number of things that must yet be figured out by trial and error.

rtkwe 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It is however still a specific statement about one portion of the US political landscape. Lots of correct statement look wrong when you distort their intended scope.