| ▲ | r_lee 5 days ago |
| Imagine the kind of media attention / clout they'll get for "beating Oracle" etc. They absolutely do get material gains from this, should they succeed. It'd be a much more legitimate effort if they were just asking people to raise funds for e.g. OpenJS to file suit etc. |
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| ▲ | SOLAR_FIELDS 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I want Deno to succeed. They already have enough challenges between bun and Node taking all of their good ideas and incorporating them. I want the ecosystem to have more options. This is Oracle we are talking about here. I would cut off my nose to spite Oracle’s face if necessary, they are some of the worst corporate actors in the history of the world. And that is not an exaggeration. |
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| ▲ | chamomeal 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I also desperately want deno to succeed cause it’s just the best way to work with typescript. I have a strong personal interest in working with deno instead of node in the future. At my company a lot of internal stuff is built with deno. Nothing mission critical but lots of utilities and stuff. But new services are still node, which is basically fine cause all of the complex config is handled already. But all of that complexity still leaks through (whoops can’t use this package because jest can’t find it!) | | | |
| ▲ | r_lee 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, and I don't see how this necessarily helps Deno succeed? It may turn into a painful money sink.. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see why Deno should go and do this now that they should be focused on their product | |
| ▲ | sarchertech 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > they are some of the worst corporate actors in the history of the world. And that is not an exaggeration. I think that’s an exaggeration. The bar is pretty high (low). The history of the world has The East India Company, The Dutch East India Company, other companies transporting and selling slaves, the various companies that helped carry out The Holocaust, companies directly involved in other genocides, companies directly benefiting from and helping to enforce apartheid, companies pushing opioids, cigarette companies, mining companies etc… | | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 5 days ago | parent [-] | | The nightmares of east india company can't be understated. I can talk to even indian kids, Heck we learnt about east india company in 6th grade so like 10-11 years old & they can tell how they really really exploited india with their indigo plantations etc. I have nothing against britishers but the fact that they kind of never really paid or literally anyone paid for the amount of exploitation that was carried is absolutely wild, and seem to glorify it from what I see is absolutely ridiculous. Really shows you that the winners of wars write histories as I can't see how people just shrug off this as if eh yeah it happened ,when lets say the same couldn't be compared to lets say the nazi invasion of poland lets say y'know? Just as how germany has almost learnt from its nazi history / remembering the pains to not do them again, yet from what I know, britain seems to have glorified it. Literally millions died due to churchill in the bengal famine. Yet he's celebrated as a war hero which I can understand but why do I feel like critizing that millions of people died because of some guy who did wrong is gonna get me downvotes or get resentment, surely we can all agree that churchill was wrong in that context I really feel as if the world is a large hypocritical machine. |
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| ▲ | homebrewer 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody forced them into this, they poked the bear thinking it will get them an easy win and good publicity, and are now slowly falling into the abyss. You're wasting your money. I honestly can't believe the number of people here thinking this is anything but a marketing stunt gone too far. We just had a series of major packages being infected with malware, how about putting $200k towards solving that? Now that, if successful, would bring real immense benefits to all JS users. |
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| ▲ | Fraaaank 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Litigation is not just 'file and forget'. Deno, or any other organisation, needs to contribute in time and effort for several years. In my opinion, "media attention / clout" is a fair compensation. |
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| ▲ | Sammi 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sure they benefit, but so do a lot of other people. Sound fair to ask everyone else to pitch in. Deno have already bankrolled this themselves for a while. |
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| ▲ | nchmy 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | jamesnorden 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The parent poster is just countering the argument that Deno gains nothing from this, no need to strawman. | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | nchmy 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Indeed. I once had a former friend say something to the effect of "I wish there were a candidate who had a healthy balance of libertarian values and compassion". I asked him how he reconciles those to diametrically-opposed concepts and he grumbled and we're no longer friends. | | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I somehow suspect that the reason you aren't friends any more is because you as much as said he lacks compassion. If I had a friend who said that about me, and then refused to apologize for insulting me in that way, I don't know if I would stay friends with them either. It's especially ironic that you are acting in a very uncompassionate way here, while accusing others of not having compassion. | |
| ▲ | sokoloff 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Libertarian values are 0.0% in conflict with compassionate acts. They are in conflict with compelled compassionate acts. | |
| ▲ | gspencley 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
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| ▲ | koakuma-chan 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? Do you think people donate to charity because they are good or because they want to seem good? I met people IRL who acted "nice" except they were also aware they were being perceived as "nice" and explicitly called themselves "nice," wouldn't you agree this is hypocritical? | | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? It feels nice. You should try it sometime. | | |
| ▲ | nchmy 5 days ago | parent [-] | | YeAh bUt fe3lin g0od is n ulTerIor m0t!ve!! A st0!c s4g3 flz nutHing | | |
| ▲ | koakuma-chan 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm not going to argue that feeling good is an "ulterior" motive, but it can be a malicious one. People can convince themselves, with varying degree of consciousness, that what they are doing is good, and ignorantly feel good about doing that, whereas for other parties what the person did can be the opposite, bad. |
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| ▲ | danenania 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does it matter? If people are kind and generous for the sake of recognition, the positive effects of their actions are just as real. Not to mention that wanting approval and recognition is not really “ulterior”. It’s a natural human desire. The people to watch out for are those who claim not to want it. | |
| ▲ | nchmy 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | What an absolutely tragic worldview you have... There's no doubt that there are disingenuous people (let alone complete grifters). But the fact that you can't conceive of anyone doing anything good just for the sake of it - let alone making genuine self-sacrifices, which happens ALL the time - is utterly shameful. Moreover, if you are properly-aligned in life, whats good for others/the world is ALSO good for you. Even those who make genuine self-sacrifices would say so - at the very least, NOT having done it would be the real, unbearable, sacrifice. I really hope you'll reflect deeply on this, and perhaps that it even haunts you - even if just out of pure self-centeredness, since the only people who you would ever have in your life with a mentality like this would necessarily be completely self-centered as well. | | |
| ▲ | koakuma-chan 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I am only making conclusions based on what I see, and I comment hoping people can tell me how I am wrong. I am still trying to figure this out, but all evidence points to what I said. People never "do good" "just for the sake of it" - there is always a reason, whether or not the person realizes it. The reason could be, e.g., as I said, the desire to seem good, some kind of religious belief, etc. Ultimately, it is never "just for the sake of it" I am also disappointed, and I don't know what to do with this, but I am not willing to become some kind of ignorant, delusional lunatic. | | |
| ▲ | nchmy 5 days ago | parent [-] | | You're a very sad, very confused person. I genuinely mean this: seek help. Or at least a hug. | | |
| ▲ | imiric 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Everyone's life experiences and the way we process them are different, which builds our understanding of the world around us in very unique ways. It's not unimaginable for someone to have a worldview as GP's. Instead of labeling or patronizing them, a bit of tact and compassion go a long way. Otherwise you're just confirming what they're predisposed to think. |
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