| ▲ | thrownawaysz 6 days ago |
| >apolitical communication commons Some people say that labeling yourself apolitical is 1, a polticial statement 2, a privilege itself which puts you into a certain socio-political position |
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| ▲ | vincnetas 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| whats up with people being afraid of being political. its your duty as citizen to be political. in ancient grece apolotical people were called "idiots". literally thats the origin of the word. |
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| ▲ | falcor84 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Very interesting, but according to this well-referenced paragraph on Wikipedia, the use of that word was a bit more complex: > It is certainly true that the Greeks valued civic participation and criticized non-participation. Thucydides quotes Pericles' Funeral Oration as saying: "[we] regard... him who takes no part in these [public] duties not as unambitious but as useless" ... However, neither he nor any other ancient author uses the word "idiot" to describe non-participants, or in a derogatory sense; its most common use was simply a private citizen or amateur as opposed to a government official, professional, or expert. The derogatory sense came centuries later, and was unrelated to the political meaning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot | |
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| ▲ | t1E9mE7JTRjf 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think you miss the point. On Nostr because technology is apolitical, you can be anything you want - political or not. A draw for some is exactly that; if they've been de-platformed elsewhere for political views, on nostr that can't happen. | | |
| ▲ | spiderfarmer 6 days ago | parent [-] | | I have never truly seen anyone deplatformed over political views. In the end they were always deplatformed for a lack of decency. | | |
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| ▲ | Klaster_1 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is exactly what struck my eye. As someone from RU, I came to strongly identify "apolitical" with silent status quo supporters. Under an authoritarian regime, that means prosecuting people and lack of freedom of speech. Nostr? They'll just declare hosting a relay illegal and criminalize use, like they already did for other services. |
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| ▲ | nout 5 days ago | parent [-] | | They key is that your nostr app connects to hundreds of relays (and can work over Tor too), so that shutting down any single relay doesn't have notable effect. |
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| ▲ | u8080 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If everything is political, then nothing is political.
I believe that author(s) just don't want to participate in non-technical discussions around his creation. |
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| ▲ | goodpoint 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Those people are right. Most of the time "apolitical" is used naively or to hide a political context. |
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| ▲ | t1E9mE7JTRjf 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would interpret it as anyone is welcome. The only barrier to entry is an internet connection, and even that is needed for just part of your experience.
I'd guess it's context is the censorship seen in the last decade on most social media platforms. |
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| ▲ | goodpoint 6 days ago | parent [-] | | > I would interpret it as anyone is welcome. ...which is a very much a political statement. | | |
| ▲ | N-Krause 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | "Welcome" is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone can join, but I am sure as it is also with our real worldwide community, not everyone is welcome or is accepted equally. But the point is, nostr does not intent to judge that. It happens automatically while communicating. Nostr is just the means to communicate. | | |
| ▲ | t1E9mE7JTRjf 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Welcome in this context means you can use it the same as anyone. There is no everyone, nostr is just tech. |
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| ▲ | baobun 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a political statement about the commons being apolitical. As opposed to, say, Lemmy, which is explicitly political. | |
| ▲ | t1E9mE7JTRjf 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is there a point you're making, or question? |
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| ▲ | AlecSchueler 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > 2, a privilege itself which puts you into a certain socio-political position And others say that we should use our positions of privilege to help others, which seems to apply in this case. |
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| ▲ | imiric 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Software is inherently apolitical. Claiming otherwise would be like saying that a hammer or drill are political, which is absurd. Political views are placed on software depending on the author's beliefs, but it's perfectly valid to release software in the public domain without any restrictions or expectations. |
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| ▲ | krapp 6 days ago | parent [-] | | >Software is inherently apolitical. Claiming otherwise would be like saying that a hammer or drill are political, which is absurd. No one sells "apolitical hammers" or "apolitical drills." If one has to specify that software is apolitical, it isn't. No software exists in a vacuum, even the license terms are a political statement. Certainly nostr was created as an expression of fiatjaf's specific political ideals, and those ideals will tend to attract certain political demographics, and repel others. | | |
| ▲ | imiric 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > If one has to specify that software is apolitical, it isn't. That conclusion doesn't track. In a time when a lot of software has become politically charged, it's perfectly reasonable to specify when that isn't the case. > No software exists in a vacuum, even the license terms are a political statement. Software doesn't exist in a vacuum, but not all licenses are the same. There are many licenses that don't place any restrictions on how the software is used. There are others whose authors relinquish all control or ownership. You may see these as political statements, but that would be corrupting their meaning. It's like claiming that atheism is a religion... Whatever beliefs the authors have does not taint the software at all, unless the software itself is political or they make some political commentary. Communities created around software are political, as societies always are, but the software itself is inert. The bottom line is that the Nostr project welcomes anyone, regardless of their politics. That is worth mentioning. If it attracts a certain type of political ideology, that has to do with the people who find the software appealing, not with the software itself. | | |
| ▲ | ioasuncvinvaer 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > If it attracts a certain type of political ideology, that has to do with the people who find the software appealing, not with the software itself. Or they find that this is the only place their politics are accepted. A nazi bar is not better than any other bar. | | |
| ▲ | imiric 5 days ago | parent [-] | | What place exactly? The software is a decentralized protocol that anyone can use. If you don't like nazis, don't go to nazi bars. |
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| ▲ | veeti 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Those people can stick to their little Mastodon instances where they can play God. |
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| ▲ | nout 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the point is that nostr supports left wing, right wing, totalitarians, tankies, communists, lawyers, nazis, anarchists, javascript developers, liberals... everyone, without regards to their politics. |
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| ▲ | shedside 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "apolitical" and the hero image is literally someone taking a swipe at "government inefficiency" |
