| ▲ | camillomiller 6 days ago |
| I find open protocols the most naive endeavour in tech nowadays.
The reason why social media protocols work is because the incentive is to have them siloed, controlled, and artificially convincing people through algorithmic suggestions that posting what they had for lunch is somewhat interesting. These protocols seem to think that people actually want an alternative to what Instagram, Facebook, X etc. give them. They don't, we all just want the comfort of our own little bubble and a constant feeling of perceived fame.
The rest, and all the talk about the protocol that underlines this is just fluff for nerds that will have zero impact in a society dominated by tech capital. Do you wanna change social media? Try and find and effective way to bring them down. |
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| ▲ | internet_points 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| even nostr seems to want bubbles, under Why not just use Mastodon/Fediverse? they write: > The most interesting feature of Mastodon is that by its nature it creates communities with shared values that grow in each of its servers. Or, should I say, that should be a feature if it actually worked like that. In fact these are not really communities, but a mashup of users that may share some interests among each other, but also have other interests and those other interests end up polluting the supposed "community" with things that do not interest the other users. ie. they're complaining that federated communities are too diverse and multi-faceted, instead of being divided into nice little laser-focused grids of shared interests |
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| ▲ | jasonvorhe 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I think you're misinterpreting this statement. I'm using nostr for more than a year and I can publish to any free relay I want to. On Mastodon your account is tied to a specific instance while on nostr you have a private/public key pair that's independent of any relay. There are some more focused/curated relays that have additional filters/rules or only allow certain people to publish (whitelisted public keys, often paid or invite only). I know of no mechanism on nostr that would force anyone to stick to certain topics or issues. I think the point of the quote is that Mastodon tries to be both a topic-centered community platform as well as a "everything goes" public social network like Twitter/X but the federation aspect is not true decentralization because you can easily lose your social graph/reach if some instance admin doesn't like you or your own instance gets #fediblocked. |
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| ▲ | Quindecillion 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do you have any suggestions for an effective way to bring them down? Perhaps building alternatives that can replace them on run in parallel is the best way to do that? |
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| ▲ | digitalbase 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | My approach for bringing them down is working on better systems/UX than what the closed-silos currently offer...And we have a long way to go. But...Nostr (and other decentralised social media protocols) can offer things the existing platforms can not do: interoperability. Imagine the people you follow to be the same from FB, to strava, to spotify...
Imagine the content (signed notes) you make are available on different clients/platforms That UX, perhaps for use-cases and projects we can't imagine today will be so much better than what we have today. I've tasted a little bit of just that switching between my Nostr twitter-like client (Primal/Yakihonne) and the Podcast app (foundtain.fm). It blew my mind. This opens use cases the existing platforms can only dream about. | |
| ▲ | camillomiller 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Pushing for strict regulation that forces them to have disclaimers like cigarettes, and treating them officially like the public health disaster they are.
The free market, despite what the capitalistic religion leads you to think, is still not the only option. |
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| ▲ | Cameri 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Do you wanna change social media? Try and find and effective way to bring them down. You don't change social media by building yet another closed protocol. You'd be building more of the same. The only option left is to build open protocols, and nostr is another attempt.
Checkmate. |
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| ▲ | camillomiller 5 days ago | parent [-] | | You change them with serious regulation. Leave the tech bubble for a minute, there’s a world outside. |
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| ▲ | the_real_cher 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We need to both bring down these big companies and also have decentralized platforms ready for the outflux |
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| ▲ | sak5sk 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People do want alternatives. Bluesky is a clear example of that. Nostr is clearly not as big, but it's a protocol. |
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| ▲ | jasonvorhe 5 days ago | parent [-] | | It's way too easy to get banned on Bluesky and to my knowledge their promises of being decentralized are comparable to Telegram being E2E encrypted. | | |
| ▲ | yellowapple 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > It's way too easy to get banned on Bluesky Only if you're on a Bluesky-operated PDS. That's straightforward to fix, at which point the most Bluesky can do to “ban” you is stick a label on your account that non-Bluesky applications/clients are free to ignore. > to my knowledge their promises of being decentralized are comparable to Telegram being E2E encrypted. AFAICT your knowledge is about a year out of date. |
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| ▲ | t1E9mE7JTRjf 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Do you wanna change social media? Try and find and effective way to bring them down. That's basically the point of nostr. |
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| ▲ | immibis 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I downvoted this because I don't like the way it makes me feel. |
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| ▲ | camillomiller 6 days ago | parent [-] | | That is admitting that you downvoted against the exact rules of HN, but suit yourself :D |
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