> To me we are in the "some people will never be happy for no clear reasons" territory.

That's because you ignore/downplay the very clear reason of space waste expressed in the conversation.

No, I mentioned that this is solved with a couple of clicks to do once if you are bothered by this. I see few reasons to complain really. One could prefer having different defaults (and I would, actually), but it's not like their are awful neither.

Had the toolbars been difficult or impossible to customize or remove, I wouldn't say, but here ulyou can make it look to your taste completely. The issue is a taste question and is a "meh" at best.

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eviks 3 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, that's the downplaying part. Configuring bad default away doesn't make a user happy the bad default existed and required wasting time fixing it (of course it's not a couple of clicks, that's also downplaying, you'd have to first acquire the knowledge that it's possible (not all UIs can be customized) and how to do it (e.g., some DEs require installing some DE Shell Extension to be able to find the relevant config))

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jraph 3 days ago | parent [-]

Defaults cannot always please every unique user. That's an impossible goal.

It's fine that impossibly picky users get to click through a few settings once to set their environment to their liking. I'm one myself sometimes.

I wonder if vocal people here who hate this minor (yes, I'll die on this hill) stuff so much took the time to even report this as an issue in KDE's bugtracker. Here's the link if it's not already done:

https://bugs.kde.org

	▲	eviks 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Defaults cannot always please every unique user. That's an impossible goal. You're just continuing in your quest to ignore the issue. Just set the goal at "most users", that's fine, you'll still need to defend this actual screen waste to make an argument, but you can't hide behind a generic "can't please everyone" > hate There is no hate, you've made it up to make your argument sound better. > this minor (yes, I'll die on this hill) No one is looking at, let alone fighing, you on this imaginary hill. The other commenter explicitly said it's not a big issue. I also agree it's minor. Stop bringing more straws for your scarecrow! > took the time to even report this To waste it on a repeat of this argument with ~0 chance of a win? Again, you've made up that hate, so there is no motivation in doing that, a more productive use of that time is to use a better terminal (or just configure it away), so that's usually what happens